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Get a Sapphire 6950 (reference only). unlock the shaders, dont load the 6970 bios.
slight volt increase and over clock to 1GHz core.
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Get a Sapphire 6950 (reference only). unlock the shaders, dont load the 6970 bios.
slight volt increase and over clock to 1GHz core.
Can I overclock this exact same 6950 to 1GHz core?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814161355

It's specs are at 800MHz core clock.

Also, do I need to buy an aftermarket GPU cooler to do it? How do you do the volt increase to the GPU? In BIOS during startup? Or is there a GUI app?
    
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LOL, you actually just look at "overall" performance and call it a day? Look at resolutions 1680x1050 and higher, the only ones which matter for these cards.
When giving data for somebody who did not specify a resolution, and has a 1280x1024 monitor in their sig? Yes, its typically a good idea to give the big picture instead of cherry picking single resolutions that, afaik, the OP can't even run. Brain surgery, right?
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You will never get guaranteed OC'ing with any hardware... but I'd say the His should meet roughly the same average OC as the Sapphire, and the HIS has a better cooler IMO. Also, its cheaper at full cost and the HIS has a rebate. So its basically the same card, got a modified cooler, costs less AND has rebate... go for the HIS, as its stated to be reference. Any1 know if this is untrue before the OP makes a decision.

As for the benchmarks pasted above. OP look at the comparison, in a single bench they have the 570 above 6950 and sometimes below/above a 6970 by tiny margins. The 570 costs MUCH more and if you use AA or increase res over 1080, the 6950, modded to 6970, will start showing why its superior to a 570. These aren't mid ranged cards, they are high end, they are meant to be played on good hardware at HIGH resolutions. So why a High end cards starts falling off the map when approaching the environments it was meant to be played in is beyond me. I personally think the new high end nvidia cards are a bit of a joke in this regard... but thats MY biased opinion.

Do yourself a favor, get the 6950 Ref 2GB, you'll be sad if you don't
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Do yourself a favor, get the 6950 Ref 2GB, you'll be sad if you don't
I really want to, and the HIS Radon 6950 2GB looks like the most bang for my buck
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814161355

However, I'm still not sure how to overclock the GPU to 1000MHz core clock? Does HIS include some form of overclocking software? Will I need liquid cooling?

And it sounds like a mixed bag whether or not my sig rig may bottleneck the GPU somehow... Whether that be with the CPU, Motherboard, or the PSU. If anybody can confirm whether or not this is true, please lemme know before I make the purchase. I will need to decide whether or not more upgrades are required to properly handle this GPU at the specs I want to push it, or if I can hold off until I go with a bigger system upgrade with Crossfire support in the future?

Thanks!
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I really want to, and the HIS Radon 6950 2GB looks like the most bang for my buck
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814161355

However, I'm still not sure how to overclock the GPU to 1000MHz core clock? Does HIS include some form of overclocking software? Will I need liquid cooling?

And it sounds like a mixed bag whether or not my sig rig may bottleneck the GPU somehow... Whether that be with the CPU, Motherboard, or the PSU. If anybody can confirm whether or not this is true, please lemme know before I make the purchase. I will need to decide whether or not more upgrades are required to properly handle this GPU at the specs I want to push it, or if I can hold off until I go with a bigger system upgrade with Crossfire support in the future?

Thanks!
if u oc you cpu a bit higher,may be around 3.6ghz then it wont bottleneck hd6950 2gb,
I wouldnt recommend a brand like HIS,
I suggest u to spend $10 or few more & buy msi hd6950 2gb/asus hd6950 2gb direct cuII,msi comes with a oc software,named msi after burner & asus also have its oc software.
msi & asus gpu are great,
u can reach 1000mhz with the asus direct cuII model,I've seen people reaching 1000mhz with this card.
hope this helps u
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You got a quad at 3.3Ghz so that should be fine for now. You have good DDR2 Ram. I know little about Intel Power Phases so I'm not sure about your boards quality. VRMS are still new to me and I'm an AMD person so I only read up on AMD board power phases yet, I think I read somewhere intel boards are listed different. I'll try to find that info on your board when I have a bit more free time.

As I stated before your PSU is the weak link. It's not even 80+ certified. But don't worry too much... My first few PSU's were garbage as I knew nothing about efficiency... I had 2 3870's running through a Rosewill with ~67% efficiency for a few hours before I even checked my PSU (I was a big noob back then, so I forgot to check my PSU stats before dropping the 3870's in. Luckily, I had recently read about PSU efficiencies and quickly turned off the PC to check. Ordered a new PSU a few minutes later)
So if I were you the PSU would need replacing before putting a 6950 in. You wouldn't want to trust almost ~$800 or more of hardware on a PSU that could fry most of it... better safe than sorry, especially when it comes to PSU's. I think thats the reason why so many people have a hard time swaying from the big boys like seasonic, corsair and Antec for PSU's, proven reliability and quality. But still, theres great deals to be had if you do some research, as I got my 700w modular 80+ certified OCZ ModXstream for $55 ($60 shipped). Works great for me, but I don't know if I'd trust it with dual 6950's unlocked to 6970's which is the plan in a few weeks/months... it might do it, I haven't checked.
I'll pop on later to suggest a PSU, I'll try to find some good deals, maybe OCZ still has good quality, cause they have really good prices still (especially at ncix, ALWAYS massive deals on OCZ's there).

Oh and for cooling, the HIS cooler should be fine. If you find you want to make it cooler you can order aftermarket VGA coolers easily, and sell the HIS one to someone who got a crap cooler and wants a cheap upgrade. Changing VGA coolers is simple and painless, just look it up and read over a few guides, you'll see for yourself its pretty simple. You don't NEED watercooling on these at all, unless you want MASSIVE OC's of enthusiast levels, and I doubt you need that at all lol. The stock cooler on the HIS card should do the trick without worry.
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I thought the Asus DCII was non-reference... correct me if I'm wrong. It also costs $35 more... Is the cooler worth that much? I'm on the fence.
Edit> Actually the Asus DCII I looked at was 1GB, so not reference... the 2GB model is almost $100 more than the HIS... def NOT worth it... even if reference...
Edit2> Read that Asus DCII is NON-reference... runs 10-20% cooler apparently... but for $100 more you get a cooler card that comes nowhere close to the HIS performance when unlocked... Thats the final nail in the coffin for the DCII IMO, not worth the cost...

I need to do all my reading b4 I post... gonna step away from the computer before I have an edit3 and edit4 lol
Edited by Fuell - 4/13/11 at 1:04pm
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Awesome! Thanks for the help guys.
I agree, future proofing and protecting my system at the same time with a good PSU seems like a better investment at this point, and maybe a SSD while I am at it too. And I can always swap them into my newer system, when I upgrade my mobo/CPU etc. in the future...

Future proofing for 2x SLI is pretty much all that I am after in a PSU. Fully modular would be nice too for cleaning. I am looking at this Corsair AX750W fully modular PSU:
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC1745

I am pretty sure it can handle SLI even with two 6950s onlocked to 6970 shaders and OC'd to 1000MHz core clock.

Can you recommend an up to par (fully modular) 750W PSU with this Corsair that costs less?

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I thought the Asus DCII was non-reference... correct me if I'm wrong. It also costs $35 more... Is the cooler worth that much? I'm on the fence.
Edit> Actually the Asus DCII I looked at was 1GB, so not reference... the 2GB model is almost $100 more than the HIS... def NOT worth it... even if reference...
Edit2> Read that Asus DCII is NON-reference... runs 10-20% cooler apparently... but for $100 more you get a cooler card that comes nowhere close to the HIS performance when unlocked... Thats the final nail in the coffin for the DCII IMO, not worth the cost...

I need to do all my reading b4 I post... gonna step away from the computer before I have an edit3 and edit4 lol
From what I understand, even with the 2GB reference model, only some 6950's can be unlocked, and others can not?

Anybody know if this is true? Luck of the draw?
    
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