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Last week we were all vrm and fet masters, this week we are all space shuttle crew masters. It's fun =)
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Last week we were all vrm and fet masters, this week we are all space shuttle crew masters. It's fun =)
well when it comes to how the space shuttle lands... just look it up... though I did get the "Flying Brick" line from a movie
    
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Who knows what all that bill is being used to cover. Odds are NASA is handling the delivery from their facilities all the way to the museum doorstep/exhibit, since NASA has all the experience moving the critters. Which probably amounts to thousands of man-hours in total.

NASA is also probably spending a pretty penny pulling all the valuable/usable hardware out of the shuttles. There's lots of stuff in those vehicles you don't want sitting in a museum for safety as well as other reasons. I.e. the explosives used to blow off the landing gear doors in emergencies. Heck, with how much wiring is in a space shuttle you could easily net yourself the cost of the jet fuel to fly it on the 747 by reclaiming/recycling the cable trunks.
Again, you're missing the point.

No matter what you claim, it can never amount to 28,000,000$.

So, it has to be inflated.
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Again, you're missing the point.

No matter what you claim, it can never amount to 28,000,000$.

So, it has to be inflated.

No honestly I believe you are missing the point. NASA isn't having some random arse company come move this shuttle. You probably have thousands of NASA engineers looking over every step they are going to take from their holding facility to the museum. 28 million is not out of this world. Do you realize how much logistics actually cost when it comes to moving a multi-billion dollar shuttle through a metropolitan area? Insurance...insurance....insurance..and you have to pay for permits to...that isn't cheap to grease any labor union.
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I agree, this thing is going to be expensive as hell to move. Not so much thru the air, that will be tough but not impossible...

Now when u hit metropolitan areas thats where this is going to become a major pain in the butt.
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ok lets not argue...
unless you've ever paid to move a shuttle, or work for NASA you just don't know. Some people's assumptions and guesses are more plausible than others. But I have a hard time listening to the arguments of someone who thinks/thought that the shuttle could just fly itself there because it is a "space ship"

here is what the price is being used for:
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The winning institutions will now have to negotiate with NASA over the cost, estimated at $28.8 million apiece, of preparing the shuttles for display and moving them to their destinations.
and they are open to negotiations.
    
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It flies on the back of a specially modified 747.
Yep, saw it happen here in CA @ Edwards AFB
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unless you've ever paid to move a shuttle, or work for NASA you just don't know.
I've worked for NASA MSFC since I graduated, and:

1)The space shuttle is not capable of self-propelled, sustainable in-atmospheric flight. The aspect ratio is designed for hypersonic shock mitigation. It is "falling with style".

2) There's no way it costs over twenty million dollars to move. But it costs a lot.

Does this clear up some confusion?
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I've worked for NASA MSFC since I graduated, and:

1)The space shuttle is not capable of self-propelled, sustainable in-atmospheric flight. The aspect ratio is designed for hypersonic shock mitigation. It is "falling with style".

2) There's no way it costs over twenty million dollars to move. But it costs a lot.

Does this clear up some confusion?
1) I said that as have other posters... I was referring that to the guy who insists it could fly.

2) 20 mil to get ready for being put on display... I am sure there is a crap ton of work to get the darn thing ready... ESPECIALLY if the Smithsonian is getting theirs for free... you think NASA is really gonna give it for free? they are off setting the costs by splitting it to the other shuttles... minus the other one they are just towing... I want to see that tow truck... just down the road.

(and I am not trying to insult you so please don't take it that way. I totally believe you. And i like "Falling with Style" or "Flying Brick" either of them are acceptable.)
    
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Haha, no offense taken. A lot of people think a lot of strange things about spaceflight sometimes.

And you're totally on-key. Let's say, what, $9M for actual shipping costs, for arguments' sake. There is a ton of technology and material on that thing that needs to be dispensed of properly - and when you begin factoring in the man-hours of overpaid goverment employees handling it? Yeah, I could easily see it getting up there in the $50M range.

NASA is crippled, and in my opinion (and of those around me) beyond repair. With the cancellation of Constellation, a huge swath of genius personnel was lost. Morale is pretty low...because if you haven't noticed, our spaceflight program was more or less canceled, but this time nothing took its place. And with budget cuts and spending freezes, NASA isn't exactly the first on the list to get moolah.

Manned spaceflight for the US is now in the hands of private industry - and NASA is hurting for money just to tie up loose ends and keep itself afloat. So I would expect them to boost the price a bit to cover random costs.

Oh - I didn't really read this thread all that well, so sorry if I came off as posting towards you, it was more or less an FYI for those involved.

My heart is with the space program, and we're all watching it die a slow death here.
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