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SLC is overkill for home use, after about 2 years ive use 3.4TB of my 1000TB of writes on my X25-E's. They are gonna outlive me.....
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SLC is overkill for home use, after about 2 years ive use 3.4TB of my 1000TB of writes on my X25-E's. They are gonna outlive me.....
I hope they do!

Would you be comfortable going without hard drives for your precious data if you could get high capacity MLC SSDs for under £400 a piece or would you still tweak to have writes to a hard drive?
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The prices of these new SSD drives is a joke and a total ripoff, some are like £1700 you can get a top rate laptop for that, or build a whole high end PC. Even the price of the lower capacity SSD's is outrageous
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post #24 of 35
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I hope they do!

Would you be comfortable going without hard drives for your precious data if you could get high capacity MLC SSDs for under £400 a piece or would you still tweak to have writes to a hard drive?
If you only have your data on 1 drive/location you are dumb regardless of the type of drive it is. Having a drive that is going to outlive me is not really a benefit i need....


My X25-E's are in RAID0 and are about to be replaced with 2 128GB Crucial C300's. My X25-E's were $450 each for 32GB when i got them, my C300's are $199 each for 128GB. Ill keep the X25'Es around but not as my primary storage anymore. Anything that is important to me is kept on my RAID5 array which is backed up to 2 different External hard drives


edit: and yes if i could get SSD's that match the capacity of my RAID5 array i would have no problem keeping it on them. Especially because IIRC even if a drive has run out of write cycles you should be able to read from the drive still
Edited by Blindsay - 4/13/11 at 8:47am
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post #25 of 35
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The prices of these new SSD drives is a joke and a total ripoff, some are like £1700 you can get a top rate laptop for that, or build a whole high end PC. Even the price of the lower capacity SSD's is outrageous
The SLC drives are actually a technology that has been around fo quite some time and back in 2008 is when they really started turning away from it for the home user market. It certainly is a ripoff though so unless you work for the company and can get it at cost, or are a millionaire with £2000 in your back pocket they are not worth the price they are at at the mo.

Unfortunately I don't see them offering that tech at home-user level as it's just not profitable to sell you or I a product that's going to last us for years and be an heirloom lol.

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If you only have your data on 1 drive/location you are dumb regardless of the type of drive it is. Having a drive that is going to outlive me is not really a benefit i need....


My X25-E's are in RAID0 and are about to be replaced with 2 128GB Crucial C300's. My X25-E's were $450 each for 32GB when i got them, my C300's are $199 each for 128GB. Ill keep the X25'Es around but not as my primary storage anymore. Anything that is important to me is kept on my RAID5 array which is backed up to 2 different External hard drives
Well indeed, I'm not talking about having all your data on one drive (though this is the case on all laptops and netbooks I've repaired); what I'm talking about is most people are most comfortable using a reliable and tested hard drive as a data storage device, as even if the drive fails mechanically or otherwise, there is still the chance of data recovery from the platter.

I can see that you like to be doubly sure yourself from what you have said
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Why on earth are they 7x the price?

Are they a lot more expensive to produce?
    
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The SLC drives are actually a technology that has been around fo quite some time and back in 2008 is when they really started turning away from it for the home user market. It certainly is a ripoff though so unless you work for the company and can get it at cost, or are a millionaire with £2000 in your back pocket they are not worth the price they are at at the mo.

Unfortunately I don't see them offering that tech at home-user level as it's just not profitable to sell you or I a product that's going to last us for years and be an heirloom lol.



Well indeed, I'm not talking about having all your data on one drive (though this is the case on all laptops and netbooks I've repaired); what I'm talking about is most people are most comfortable using a reliable and tested hard drive as a data storage device, as even if the drive fails mechanically or otherwise, there is still the chance of data recovery from the platter.

I can see that you like to be doubly sure yourself from what you have said
I would trust a SSD to be more reliable any day of the week than a mechanical drive. Heck why do you think i run my SSDs in RAID0 and my Mechanical drives in RAID5. Even in RAID0 i feel more confident in the SSD's then the mechanical drives in RAID5

the only reason i keep mechanical drives around is for mass storage. my RAID5 array is 4.1TB, it would cost a small fortune to get SSDs that big.

And as far as recovering data, if a drive has a logical or even worse a mechanical failure it is an absolute nightmare to recovery data from them....

And like i said with SSD's im pretty sure that even if they run out of write cycles you should still be able to read from them and get your data off them.

And as far as repairing notebooks with dead drives, ive seen alot myself and you know what a lot of them are because of dummies dropping the damn things which wouldnt be an issue on an SSD
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Why on earth are they 7x the price?

Are they a lot more expensive to produce?
not really, they are just priced differently to price out home user I think
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I would trust a SSD to be more reliable any day of the week than a mechanical drive. Heck why do you think i run my SSDs in RAID0 and my Mechanical drives in RAID5. Even in RAID0 i feel more confident in the SSD's then the mechanical drives in RAID5

the only reason i keep mechanical drives around is for mass storage. my RAID5 array is 4.1TB, it would cost a small fortune to get SSDs that big.

And as far as recovering data, if a drive has a logical or even worse a mechanical failure it is an absolute nightmare to recovery data from them....

And like i said with SSD's im pretty sure that even if they run out of write cycles you should still be able to read from them and get your data off them.

And as far as repairing notebooks with dead drives, ive seen alot myself and you know what a lot of them are because of dummies dropping the damn things which wouldnt be an issue on an SSD
You are right, the write cycles on a drive are not set, just an estimation; some cells have less than the reported PE, some a lot more. I have seen a 60gb Vertex with 5k rated cycles at almost 10k before it hits any issues; all cells are unique and the rating is just a best guess based on the factor.

I'm not as confident as you are about SSD reliability, but I can see where you are coming from and have personally been in two minds about solid state vs platters in PCs (net/notebooks as you point out are a different matter). I've used Samsung drives in my PCs for the last... 6+ years or so and havn't seen one fail completely yet, though that may just be my good luck. We're all guided by our own experiences and mine have led me to favour hard drives for data at this time, regardless of the capacity/price issue.

The main issue I see with current consumer grade SSDs is that they are being included in a few laptops now and I've had to replace a few now that have died (allegedly) without being dropped. As your average non-tech home user doesn't really know how to use a computer properly and will install all these little gizmos and apps and rubbish facebook games and have a programs list as long as your arm and then after a while the thing just goes kaput and they sit there wondering what happened cause they were sure their fast little 12gb netbook would be able to handle everything the world threw at it cause the guy in PC World said so, but PC World wont fix it because it's 1 month outside of it's warranty.

I've replaced most ssds in notebooks I've repped with standard drives at the expense of battery life (they left them plugged in like a pc anyways) and not one has come back yet, mainly because they cost just £20 for high capacity and I know the users lol and they aren't tech savvy. One friend I just fixed an Aspire 1 for had about 50 different viruses on hers including a couple of rootkits and she didn't even realise it; Bejewelled here and some other rubbish there, all sorts of silly things she downloaded lol
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heck even the ssd companies are starting to switch to mlc for their enterprise drives, slc is a dieing breed
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