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Your right about the results, but your off due to the causes.

If you were on the ground while they were conducting the experiment and had some sort of special camera right next to you with which you could magnify the image of the black bird so much that you could see the clock on it then yes it would look as though it were going slower.

BUT, if the pilot were to do the same thing but instead magnify the image of you in order to read a clock sitting right next to you, the pilot would see that YOUR clock is running slow and his is normal.

That is what special relativity is.

"But singular1ty, your wrong because when he landed his clock was still slow."

Well I think you are wrong on this result of the experiment, actually I think if you find the experiment you will find it the other way around, that his clock was a thousandth of a second faster then our normal clocks. The reason is due to general relativity.

The reason I am positive of this is because if you were right then that would cause a whole slew of problems with our understanding of the twin paradox and general relativity.

But basically, the act of motion does not slow down or speed up time. But the act of acceleration or deceleration can to some degree.

Also, in hindsight the speed of an SR-71 does not come withing spitting distance of the speed of light at which point the effects become obvious. There is a higher degree of chance that the results were not due to relativity but rather the sheer stress of travel in an SR-71.

Im guessing your a physic's major or something similar? I understand what you are saying somewhat but it goes a bit over my head.
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Understanding of physics:

Physics majors > Scientists and chemists > Engineer majors > Doctors and surgeons > inanimate objects > English majors.
I guess my physics professor (who is currently working on the LHC) was teaching us BS then...

The thing with this is that it really depends on who you're talking about, what is the situation relative to a certain person.

A person on a moving float bouncing a ball will see it bounce up and down, an observer beside the moving float will see it moving in "mmmm" motions.

The inertial frame of reference is basically how a certain thing can be observed relative to what you're doing (moving, being still .etc). What i said is an over simplification but it depends who the observer is.

The person in the ship will see time speed up on the outside, time goes normally for himself. The observer outside of the ship (lets assume at rest) will see time inside the ship slow down.

This is why it's called relativity, the situation changes depending on who the situation is relative too.
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Actually no, this is not the theory, this is the limited understanding of the theory which you possess.
And your understanding is but a freckle on a fat kid compared to most Physicists.

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The twin who made the voyage in the space ship is much older then the twin who stayed on earth. This is called the twin paradox.
You do realize that this goes against everything Carl Sagan said, right?
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I'm going to jump on board with the assertion of our self described resident special relativity genius being dead wrong.

I'm not sure how you've become so adamant that you're the only one who understands the "correct" way Singular1ty.
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The twin who made the voyage in the space ship is much older then the twin who stayed on earth. This is called the twin paradox.

yeah it's wiki but I'm at work and can't get a real source without it being blocked.

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In physics, the twin paradox is a thought experiment in special relativity, in which a twin makes a journey into space in a high-speed rocket and returns home to find he has aged less than his identical twin who stayed on Earth.
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how do you measure time if time is movement(meters per second ) in space?
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What are all you freaks talking about time warping around people and aging at different rates while in a temporal void?

None of that is going on. You should lay off whatever you're smoking. Better yet, give me some.

The only thing this article is talking about here is creating some sort of super dense material that light takes a long time to move through. You have an observer, someone "looking" at you while you're under this material. Everything you see around you right now is a reflection, that's how our vision works. You are reading these words in this post right now because there is light that is bouncing off of the screen and bouncing back through your eyes. You know how bats hear by bouncing sound off of objects? (Sonar) That's pretty much how our eyes work with light.

The temporal void is created when the material (this "invisibility cloak") slows down the reflection of light to the observer enough to create a one minute lag. It essentially means that it takes an observer a minute to "see" the cloak. You can cut off the end of this delay at the end of that minute (by turning off a machine? removing the cloak?) therefore bringing you instantly back into perception of nearby observers. (I mean relatively instant, of course.) This motion would theoretically hide all of the visual details of that lagged minute from anyone observing the super-dense material.

No one is being sucked through black holes. No one is flying through space or entering alternate dimensions.
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What are all you freaks talking about time warping around people and aging at different rates while in a temporal void?

None of that is going on. You should lay off whatever you're smoking. Better yet, give me some.

The only thing this article is talking about here is creating some sort of super dense material that light takes a long time to move through. You have an observer, someone "looking" at you while you're under this material. Everything you see around you right now is a reflection, that's how our vision works. You are reading these words in this post right now because there is light that is bouncing off of the screen and bouncing back through your eyes. You know how bats hear by bouncing sound off of objects? (Sonar) That's pretty much how our eyes work with light.

The temporal void is created when the material (this "invisibility cloak") slows down the reflection of light to the observer enough to create a one minute lag. It essentially means that it takes an observer a minute to "see" the cloak. You can cut off the end of this delay at the end of that minute (by turning off a machine? removing the cloak?) therefore bringing you instantly back into perception of nearby observers. (I mean relatively instant, of course.) This motion would theoretically hide all of the visual details of that lagged minute from anyone observing the super-dense material.

No one is being sucked through black holes. No one is flying through space or entering alternate dimensions.

and with that notion:

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