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Hello there,

I've peaked alot on the OCN WC gallery\\club, and it pulled me over the line.
I WANT WATERCOOLING !
so before im going to get my gear for it i want to know what you guys think.
My case is a Corsair 600t and i'd rather not mod anything, so my idea was :



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Do you guys think my system (see rig) will be kept cool nicely by a setup like this ?

Res -> pump -> 120rad (thick one ?) -> cpu -> 240rad -> gpu0/1 (split) -> res.

240 rad cant be too thick cause then it will hit the motherboard.
Green thing will be a fillport.

I was thinking bout a Laing DDC1 RT pump : http://www.freezinghardware.eu/produ...g_DDC-1RT.html

and 2 Black ICE gt radiators, 1x 120 and 1x 240 ofc.
http://www.freezinghardware.eu/produ...treme_120.html (Thick Enough? for 2600k)
http://www.freezinghardware.eu/produ...ealth_240.html (will it fit ?)
any other ideas are welcome
Edited by AoHxBram - 4/13/11 at 10:32am
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post #2 of 40
Should go

res->pump -> CPU -> 120Rad -> GPU1 -> GPU2 -> 240rad -> res

If you go from both GPUs straight into that res the water in the res will be so hot that it will start to warm up everything around it
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hmm but wouldn't it be better then to have the 240 rad before the cpu \\ gpu's and then the 120 rad to cool the water for the res ?
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post #4 of 40
loop order doesn't matter, it'll reach an equilibrium eventually. The greatest temp difference you will see is 1C. Just arrange it in whichever way you think looks best as long as the pump is below the res.
 
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Having the 240 before the res IS having it before the CPU/GPUs bro...

The hottest thing in your loop is those 2 GPUs... the water coming out of the 2nd card will be a hot as it will ever get. You don't want that hot water sitting in your res because it will heat up the case...

If you dump the heat before going to the res, the water will actually cool a bit more as it sits in the res, will go through the pump (which will add a tiny bit of warmth), and then go straight into the CPU. Then, the extra heat from the CPU get realeased a bit in the 120, so that GPU1 gets a cooler flow. Make sense?

There are a million ways to do it, but what ever you do, don't pump that steamy hot water into the res and let it sit there!!
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I would suggest a different style of res, and put it near the pump. On pump start-up, if the water is not very deep where the suction hose is, the pump can suck air for a bit. It probably won't be enough to de-prime the pump, but then it takes a few minutes to purge the air bubbles from the system, which is bad for performance. There's plenty of room for a taller res near the pump, so there's not much reason to go with a single-bay res (other than they're purty).

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If you dump the heat before going to the res, the water will actually cool a bit more as it sits in the res, will go through the pump (which will add a tiny bit of warmth), and then go straight into the CPU. Then, the extra heat from the CPU get realeased a bit in the 120, so that GPU1 gets a cooler flow. Make sense?
Then it's effectively a bit of extra radiator. Perfect.
And HDD's love the heat. Google published a study on hard drive failure in their massive server farms, the optimal temperature for HDDs is around 30-40*c. Having the drive too cold (~20*) is much, much worse than too hot (~50*c).

http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf
page 6, fig. 4
Apparently, 38* is the sweet spot. But any lower than 26* really kills drives quick.
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loop order doesn't matter, it'll reach an equilibrium eventually. The greatest temp difference you will see is 1C. Just arrange it in whichever way you think looks best as long as the pump is below the res.
Although I do agree with 99% of this, hot water from the GPU's sitting in the res WILL heatup it's surroundings. Although the water temp will reach equilibrium either way like you said, having the area around the res absorb that extra heat should be avoided, especially if your HDs are close to that bay res (in his case they are not, but worth mentioning)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phobos223 View Post
Should go

res->pump -> CPU -> 120Rad -> GPU1 -> GPU2 -> 240rad -> res

If you go from both GPUs straight into that res the water in the res will be so hot that it will start to warm up everything around it
I've been thinking this in the back of my mind while I read the opposite all over the place while researching for my first loop, thanks for confirming that I'm not super crazy! Another concern I had was that most pumps are rated a max of 60C, I want that water as cool as possible before going through the pump.
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Well, thats very Confusing, one sais: loop doenst matter, and the other states there must be a Rad before the res.
another thing about the res -> pump whats is that with the air i dont completly understand that, i know its bad for air to get in your loop, pump, but i thought if u poored in the liquid into the res, it would fill up and go down into the pump pushing the air out.
but then i think if the water needs to be cooled b4 the res, this would be the best setup :
res - pump - 240(coolest water to cool with) - cpu - gpu0/1 -120 (too cool off) - res

any suggestions then on what kind of res that would be better with air and stuff, maybe a dualbay res that is made for a laing ddc1 rt+ pump? that would also mean i have less tubing...
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I've been thinking this in the back of my mind while I read the opposite all over the place while researching for my first loop, thanks for confirming that I'm not super crazy! Another concern I had was that most pumps are rated a max of 60C, I want that water as cool as possible before going through the pump.
Just remember, when I said:

res->pump -> CPU -> 120Rad -> GPU1 -> GPU2 -> 240rad -> res

imagine bending that sentence into a cirlce where the 2 "res"s are one in the same
The coolest water possible IS going into the pump. After the hottest water (from the GPU's) goes into the biggest rad (the 240) it will settle in the res, and cool even further. Then it goes into the pump and repeats Also, if you water is 60C before it goes into the pump... well then you need a MUCH, MUCH bigger radiator (60C water would be crazy hot!)


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Originally Posted by AoHxBram View Post
Well, thats very Confusing, one sais: loop doenst matter, and the other states there must be a Rad before the res.
another thing about the res -> pump whats is that with the air i dont completly understand that, i know its bad for air to get in your loop, pump, but i thought if u poored in the liquid into the res, it would fill up and go down into the pump pushing the air out.
but then i think if the water needs to be cooled b4 the res, this would be the best setup :
res - pump - 240(coolest water to cool with) - cpu - gpu0/1 -120 (too cool off) - res

Sorry for all the confusion... the only truly important order is that the res must be before the pump. That is so all the air will bleed out and that the pump doesn't run dry.

The other order is not super duper important, althoguh Having the coolest possible water going into the res will keep your case from heating up. The order that you mentioned is just fine, and would probably yeild the same CPU and GPU temps, however, the water in your res would be a little bit warmer than the order I mentioned. Again, not going to be a HUGE difference, but whatever you do, I would avoid going straight from the GPUs to the res
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