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That's your own Opinion.

Playing style and Control are factors that you leave out.
I like friction. I bought the SteelSeries 4HD mousepad and it was way too sensitive for gaming. Tried it for two weeks and ended up buying another cloth pad because I knew I could never get used to it. What a waste of 20 bucks lol.
    
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I once said that I hated the stock feet on the IME 3.0. But I mean, then I went out, bought it and put it on my Talent. Yes, the friction was noticeably higher like I ranted about, but I never factored in that the IME 3.0 weighed less overall. And I found that I liked the combo of low weight mouse + good mousepad, but rubber mouse feet better than good mouse feet + mousepad but heavy mouse.

Must have something to do with P=MV

WMO weighed little enough so that even with its poor mouse feet it slid just as easily as the deathadder. That would have been a better comparison but I'm only good at Crysis, which I gotta have side buttons for otherwise I suck. So I never used it enough to compare with the DA. I have a IMO on the way though. Hopefully it's not that much heavier than the WMO and hopefully I can adjust to the side button layout on that mouse.
Edited by cuad - 4/17/11 at 4:12am
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post #23 of 42
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It comes down to the friction caused by the cloth. Unless your happy with it, its fine. But the added friction caused by the cloth just makes you have to work more to move your mouse and fundamentally delays your reponse or efficeny over time.

Most mice are going to feel crapy just because the pad itself makes it undesirable. A solid wood or opaque surface desk works the best when compared to a cloth pad. Remove it, and your mouse would feel so much better....if the desk is good anyways and not made of glass.

You want a mouse pad where your mouse litteraly glides on a near frictionless surface. The only friction you should have in from your own palm touching the surface, not from the mouse itself. Physically, there will always be friction, but less the better.
Thats funny Ive found that cloth mouse pads have the least amount of friction. Ive tried plastic and glass, both textured and smooth, and have found with those that dirt evetually builds up on the feet and causes it to stick to the mouse pad. Whereas cloth pads are self cleaning. Theyre nice and smooth and the mouse never sticks. But then again I am an FPS gamer and I notice even the slightest bit of sticking.
Personally I cant stand anything other than cloth for gaming.
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I like friction. I bought the SteelSeries 4HD mousepad and it was way too sensitive for gaming. Tried it for two weeks and ended up buying another cloth pad because I knew I could never get used to it. What a waste of 20 bucks lol.
Dont ya just hate that.
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That's your own Opinion.

Playing style and Control are factors that you leave out.
Not really an opinion. Friction restricts movement. Having the mouse be a second source of restriction causes you to work more to get the same results. Your mouse does not control your percision, it is your rists/arm/palm/fingers/whatever else you use to move your particular mouse. This is the only area where friction should be used to control your mouse. Claw grips are indeed different.

If you want to argue that my opinion eliminates validility, you should considered your own perspective to be not fact and also opinion and be on an equal playing field.

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Thats funny Ive found that cloth mouse pads have the least amount of friction. Ive tried plastic and glass, both textured and smooth, and have found with those that dirt evetually builds up on the feet and causes it to stick to the mouse pad. Whereas cloth pads are self cleaning. Theyre nice and smooth and the mouse never sticks. But then again I am an FPS gamer and I notice even the slightest bit of sticking.
The funny thing is, is that you are comparing two completely different conditions. A cloth pad to dirty surfaces. By no means can that be considered a valid approach.

I myself am a competitive gamer and have participated in numerous tourniments. FPS and RTS are my two personal specialties.

Glass, plastic, are some of the worse conditions to play on. Why would one even remotely consider glass as a playing field?
Edited by Domino - 4/17/11 at 3:10pm
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The funny thing is, is that you are comparing two completely different conditions. A cloth pad to dirty surfaces. By no means can that be considered a valid approach.

I myself am a competitive gamer and have participated in numerous tourniments. FPS and RTS are my two personal specialties.

Glass, plastic, are some of the worse conditions to play on. Why would one even remotely consider glass as a playing field?
First off, I wasnt comparing a clean surface to a dirty one. I was stating something that happens with most glass/plastic playing surfaces --dirt and the buildup of it on the feet of the mouse. With glass and plastic, even if you're a clean person, it is inevitible that that junk will buildup. Its dead skin off of your hand. So unless youre a cleanfreak, sooner or later your mouse will stick. This does not happen on clotch surfaces(unless you spill something sticky on it). As I mentioned before, theyre self cleaning.

And where do you get off saying that cloth creates friction? Its probably the smoothest surface you can have a mouse on. Per square inch theres less material contacting the feet than on any other surface.

As for glass, I considered it once briefly after using it I realized that it is inferior to cloth --as is any other surface. All other surfaces feel sticky in comparison.
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post #26 of 42
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First off, I wasnt comparing a clean surface to a dirty one. I was stating something that happens with most glass/plastic playing surfaces --dirt and the buildup of it on the feet of the mouse. With glass and plastic, even if you're a clean person, it is inevitible that that junk will buildup. Its dead skin off of your hand. So unless youre a cleanfreak, sooner or later your mouse will stick. This does not happen on clotch surfaces(unless you spill something sticky on it). As I mentioned before, theyre self cleaning.
Nothing stopping you from cleaning. Cloth are not self cleaning, except having their groves be filled in over time, which is creating a smoother surface rather then a cleaner pad.

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And where do you get off saying that cloth creates friction? Its probably the smoothest surface you can have a mouse on. Per square inch theres less material contacting the feet than on any other surface.
The coefficents of static and kinetic friction of teflon on cloth is much higher then teflon on wood, gunmelting coatings, etc.

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As for glass, I considered it once briefly after using it I realized that it is inferior to cloth --as is any other surface. All other surfaces feel sticky in comparison.
To even remotely consider glass as a comparison is illogical. Mice work with waves. Waves, especially light waves, travel through glass. The basic way an optical works is by registuring a reflection buncing back to the mouse. Glass is completely irrelvalent and off-topic.
Edited by Domino - 4/17/11 at 4:41pm
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lol, since when do mouse pads matte?
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post #28 of 42
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It comes down to the friction caused by the cloth. Unless your happy with it, its fine. But the added friction caused by the cloth just makes you have to work more to move your mouse and fundamentally delays your reponse or efficeny over time.

Playing style plays a factor, although you are only partially correct about having to do more work.


With my current mouse feet and surface, I'm able control my spray, recoil, and burst effectively at my desired Inches or CM /360. If I were to change up my surface to a slicker, harder, and near frictionless pad, my skill level will degrade unless I lower the distance per 360 to where I'm barely able to do a 180 across my pad. Please explain how that's more efficient?

Most mice are going to feel crapy just because the pad itself makes it undesirable. A solid wood or opaque surface desk works the best when compared to a cloth pad. Remove it, and your mouse would feel so much better....if the desk is good anyways and not made of glass.

Again, same story.

You want a mouse pad where your mouse litteraly glides on a near frictionless surface. The only friction you should have in from your own palm touching the surface, not from the mouse itself. Physically, there will always be friction, but less the better

No I don't.

It isn't better for everybody, but yes that's mine and your own opinion.
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Not really an opinion. Friction restricts movement.

Of course friction restricts movement, but you're only seeing the negative side rather than any positives.


Having the mouse be a second source of restriction causes you to work more to get the same results.

But I don't or wont have the same level of control unless I lower my sensitivity to a point where I have to do even MORE work. (Playing style dependent)

Your mouse does not control your percision, it is your rists/arm/palm/fingers/whatever else you use to move your particular mouse. This is the only area where friction should be used to control your mouse. Claw grips are indeed different.

Except, not everyone has the same sensitivity/360. With a moderate friction pad, it's much easier to control a cursor at a higher sensitivity. Not everyone wants to lower their inches or cm /360 to a point where they can't turn around fast enough. Although this would also fall in to.. oh yeah, playing style.

Claw grip can be similar, but then again, there are a couple ways you can go about that. Arm or wrist~


If you want to argue that my opinion eliminates validility, you should considered your own perspective to be not fact and also opinion and be on an equal playing field.

Of course this is my opinion, but you make it sound like you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Cloth pads are far from horrible and don't "suck" /opinion
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Edited by Skylit - 4/17/11 at 4:47pm
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Playing style plays a factor, although you are only partially correct about having to do more work.
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With my current mouse feet and surface, I'm able control my spray, recoil, and burst effectively at my desired Inches or CM /360. If I were to change up my surface to a slicker, harder, and near frictionless pad, my skill level will degrade unless I lower the distance per 360 to where I'm barely able to do a 180 across my pad. Please explain how that's more efficient?
Playing style is indeed a factor. And as I previously stated, unless your fine with it, implying that you are use to it and enjoy it, then by all means.

With your current surface, your desired inches or CM/360 (not sure what you are referring to here; cm per 360?), was created in respect to the firction involved in that process. If you switch to a different scenario, of course, you will require to adopt to a different DPI and displacement per velocity of your mouse. Having to adopt to two different friction conditions while only one friction is being applied to your movement will greatly increase your percision and accuracy.

Having a lower friction surface will require less work to move. With the same force and distance you travel, cm per 360, you will go off the pad, of course. Kinda obvious. Adjusting your dpi to account to the exact same conditions will give you the exact same feel as you currently have without having to do more work. Longer gaming sessions with less restraints is a good thing in most gamers eyes. The change in DPI is as low as 20-50 DPI and if that. Very small. Or even increase the weight by a few grams.

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But I don't or wont have the same level of control unless I lower my sensitivity to a point where I have to do even MORE work. (Playing style dependent
You wouldn't, as stated above. You will cover the exact same distance with the exact same 360 you performed on your screen. Less friction, less work, more percision, more flexibility, etc. Let alone, for an FPS, you should never go over 1200 DPI. Most pro players are around 400-600. Having a more percise sensor simply improves the percision. In reality you do not want to play anywhere remotely close to what the mouse is designed for.
Edited by Domino - 4/17/11 at 5:31pm
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Nothing stopping you from cleaning. Cloth are not self cleaning, except having their groves be filled in over time, which is creating a smoother surface rather then a cleaner pad.



The coefficents of static and kinetic friction of teflon on cloth is much higher then teflon on wood, gunmelting coatings, etc.



To even remotely consider glass as a comparison is illogical. Mice work with waves. Waves, especially light waves, travel through glass. The basic way an optical works is by registuring a reflection buncing back to the mouse. Glass is completely irrelvalent and off-topic.
So I suppose youve never heard Razer glass mouse "pads". The bottoms are painted/coated to create that reflective surface.

And I beg to differ on the coefficients of drag. Over the surfave area of foot of the mouse, a cloths pad physically contacts it less. More friction than wood? You cant be serious. You must be thinking of projectiles passing through objects rather than gliding across them.
Mice gliding across a surface is similar to rolling resistance with tires. The greater the contact patch, the greater the resistance.
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