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This should help you make a decision, hopefully.
thanks, i went ahead with the asus one. i forgot about the price diff.
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I removed the PhysX card and tested the temps on idle and interestingly they are around the same 39-40C. I will try to move the Creative X-FI card to the above PCI-E X1 slot to give it more room and then see.

I tested the card with my 9800 GT card as PhysX and got pretty good results at 1080P and all benchmarks were set to maxed out settings.

Stalker Call of Pripyat 93.8 FPS
Aliens vs Predator 63.8 FPS
Metro 2033 47 FPS
Mafia 2 59.7 FPS
Batman AA 59 FPS

Temps for all benchmarks were about 57-59C and recorded with GPU-Z.

I will now benchmark without the PhysX card and see what the FPS and temps are. Then will try silent mode..then overclock.
I switched it to silent mode and there is a noticeable sound difference and it seems the idle temps are about the same but on load the temps increase 4-5C to a max of about 69C which isn't bad. Below are the benches without the physx card in performance and silent mode.

performance mode without physx card

Stalker Call of Pripyat - 94.3 FPS
Aliens vs Predator - 63.8 FPS
Metro 2033 - 45 FPS
Mafia 2 - 38.5FPS
Batman AA - 57 FPS

silent mode and without physx card

Stalker Call of Pripyat - 94.1 FPS
Aliens vs Predator - 63.8 FPS
Metro 2033 - 43 FPS
Mafia 2 - 35FPS
Batman AA - 57 FPS

So, Mafia 2 took a big hit when I removed the PhysX card and only lost 4 FPS on Metro 2033 so pretty good overall and in silent mode and without PhysX card.

I will try to do some overclocking and see how much I can push this puppy and the report some numbers.

I do love the Silent mode so far, can't tell the difference from the noise of the card and the case fans.
    
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Just got mine in today. I'm very happy to see that my VID is only 0.962. Hoping for some overclocking love tonight.

Just an edit, the core voltage you adjust in afterburner doesn't seem to update in gpuz on this card, but it does increase when you look at the voltage graph in afterburner.
Edited by gl0ry - 4/29/11 at 4:11pm
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So far things are looking fantastic!

At 950 core, I seem to be stable with 1.062v... night and day difference so far between the TF3 and DCII as far as overclocking goes.

The highest I got to was around 970mhz at 1.12v, but that was a rough clock and wasn't sure if it was stable, but I'm happy with 950.

With such low volts at 950, I'm totally ecstatic. 4 minutes in OCCT with 0 errors at this frequency.. on my DCII I would have had about 60,000+ errors by then even with 1.2v.

Memory is stable at 2200 right now and that's without even adding memory voltage. I might just settle for that, kinda scared to put it too high.

Also as RomeSC stated, 50% fan speed is really quiet. Perfect noise to performance ratio for me. Highest temp it goes to at current freq is 70c at this fan speed.

Edit: Broke 6k on 3dmark11! Previous highest ever was around 5700.
Edited by gl0ry - 4/29/11 at 7:49pm
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So far things are looking fantastic!

At 950 core, I seem to be stable with 1.062v... night and day difference so far between the TF3 and DCII as far as overclocking goes.

The highest I got to was around 970mhz at 1.12v, but that was a rough clock and wasn't sure if it was stable, but I'm happy with 950.

With such low volts at 950, I'm totally ecstatic. 4 minutes in OCCT with 0 errors at this frequency.. on my DCII I would have had about 60,000+ errors by then even with 1.2v.

Memory is stable at 2200 right now and that's without even adding memory voltage. I might just settle for that, kinda scared to put it too high.

Also as RomeSC stated, 50% fan speed is really quiet. Perfect noise to performance ratio for me. Highest temp it goes to at current freq is 70c at this fan speed.

Edit: Broke 6k on 3dmark11! Previous highest ever was around 5700.
If you get a chance would you try something for me? Run your favorite gpu benchmark and set your fan locked to 75%. Whenever I run a bench at 75% speed my fan makes cyclical whirring noises and I'm wondering if I got a busted cooler. It cools fine but the sound is peculiar. It isn't all the time but it always happened at least once during every heaven bench at 75% fan.

Secondly your clocks are awesome, Congrats on your trade up to the TFIII!

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Thanks! I'm really happy with the TF3 right now.

Yeah, I get the same tornado type sound if my fan is around that value.

Edit: I'm going to re-summarize all my findings so far.

At stock values 770/1540/2000 (I even tried downclocking to 570 reference values of 732/1900) @ 0.962v errors popped up within seconds after loading OCCT and choosing to ignore OCCT also showed artifacts in Unigine Heaven, but as soon as I bumped the fan to 70% all errors and artifacts were pretty much gone. I need 70% fan speed to be stable (still has 1-2 errors every 2-4 minutes). At 100% fan speed I had pretty much no errors at all.

Does that even make sense? The gpu temperatures are phenomenal, but stability seems to be directly related to my fan speed. Perhaps something on the card needs that extra cooling?

So far I believe that it is very obvious that MSI must test with the fan running at full speed because my card is definitely not stable at stock without the fan running high.

I also found it strange that in order to maintain stability at lower fan speeds I had to increase my core voltage. It is almost as if fan speed adds volts to my card.

Still very excited at the prospect of how overclockable this card is and I'm trying to find a balance between high clock speed, lower voltage, and lower fan speed at the moment.
Edited by gl0ry - 4/30/11 at 11:18am
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I've been editing all my findings in my last post because I didn't want to keep bumping this thread, but I believe I've found a very stable overclock at 950 core/1900 shader/2300 memory at 1.087v.

This card is an absolute overclocking monster and I didn't even touch the memory or aux voltage at all.

I guess the key for me was to keep fan speed high enough to keep it stable. In my last post I found out that for stock values for my card at 0.962 VID wasn't stable unless I threw the fan speed on high. This discovery helped me realize that I needed to use higher fan speeds to maintain stability, even though the temperatures on the GPU were great.

My fan profile right now is set at 50%(0-44c), 60%(45-69c), 70%(70-74c) and 80%(75c+). Honestly, the fan at 50% is almost silent and during gaming, benchmarking, or stress testing it almost instantly kicks into 60% and never goes above it. The highest temperature I had recorded during a short run of OCCT was 64c and highest temperature in furmark was 55c.

So after day 1 I can say these things: This card came with 3dmark11 advanced, runs cooler than my DCII, takes up less slots, and overclocks MUCH better.

So far I am very happy with this card. Will be doing crysis loops soon.

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1118539
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When something that is supposed to be fun becomes something you have to duck out of in secret (Like a WoW raid) maybe its not such a bad thing to miss some time with it
No I was kidding, I love folding and I do it because it's the right thing to do. Nobody actually gets mad at you if you stop folding or anything they are all good people working towards a good cause, I don't want anybody thinking it's anything like the craziness that ensues with WoW guilds. Just wanted to set the record straight.

Since we are one the subject I would really like to see more people folding, all this talk of getting really powerful GPUs that are cool and quiet and then overclocking them to make them even more powerful and then all that power sits wasted 98% of the time when it could go to help the human race as a whole, for very minimal electricity costs. The timing is good because the Chimp Challenge is coming up which is an annual 10 days of all out folding for the honor of top spot between the top folding teams. I would really love to see more people start folding to put their hardware to a good cause.

Anyway Rome sorry about the off topic but I just didn't want anybody getting the wrong idea about folding, back to my previous dealings in this thread which were only slightly of topic

Last I posted here I had a really crappy overclock in progress of 800MHz at 1.075v, well after that I did bump it up to 1.1v but that only gave me 815MHz stable and while the temps were still great and the noise was still nonexistant it actually heated up my room a little bit more at those volts LOL so I backed it down to 800 at 1.075 which worked well for me. I had that folding away well for almost a week and then I started to have an annoying fan bearing noise occasionally at around 26-32%. I'm fairly sure it was just a bad bearing or something like that because it would go away at about 34% but I didn't need or want my fan that high so I sent it in for an RMA on Thursday.

And in a shocking turn of events I'm actually having to consider the TFIII 570 as a replacement. Not because of the fact my Asus was a dud overclocker or the fact that it looks like Asus doesn't bin these chips because I honestly don't care too much about the OC, and I really really love the cooler on the Asus. But the case I'm looking to get is the Raven RV03 and it rotates the motherboard 90 degrees and I've heard (and the laws of physics dictate) that 3/5 of the heatpipes on the Asus will be fighting gravity leading to the vapor not returning to the core to take more heat away after cooling on the fins. The MSI shouldn't be hindered as badly as the Asus would be, but I don't know if it will be quiet enough for me, my computer isn't silent by any means but except for my crappy CPU cooler (which will be replaced with a D-14 soon) nothing spins at more than about 1,000 rpm and is very quiet. I just don't know if the MSI can be brought down quiet enough so that it couldn't be heard over a system as quiet as mine. I've read back through this entire thread looking for as many people saying what they think of it's noise and it seems to be okay at 40% but will it stay below 80-85 at that speed?

Glory based on what you've written about your instability at lower fan speeds I would guess that it's actually the VRMs overheating at the lower fan speeds because while the MSI does have a contact plate over them it's pretty insubstantial looking from what I can tell. Certainly no where near the beefy VRM cooling on the Asus. If anybody could post some better clearer pictures of what that contact plate looks like and whether or not it has any fins on the top, or if it's just a flat piece of metal that they expected to be enough, then I we would be able to get a better idea if that is the problem glory is experiencing.
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That is a nice card and cooler. But I am still very happy with my Galaxy GTX 580 with that Arctic Accelero Xtreme plus cooler. At 850/1700 the max temp is 54C on max settings, and fan on auto. Still quiet as a church mouse.
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I just don't know if the MSI can be brought down quiet enough so that it couldn't be heard over a system as quiet as mine. I've read back through this entire thread looking for as many people saying what they think of it's noise and it seems to be okay at 40% but will it stay below 80-85 at that speed?
I think I would be a good candidate to answer a lot of questions between these two cards because I have owned both.

At 50% the noise is really inaudible and at 60% the noise is a little more prevalent but still offers great noise to performance ratio in my opinion. I've come from the DCII and I know what quiet is... I can tell you that the TF3 doesn't disappoint at all. As I stated earlier, I'm currently at 1.08v/950 core/60% fan speed with my temps rising no higher than 64c during OCCT and 55c in furmark.

I've got a custom fan profile which keeps the fan at 50% and as soon as the core rises to 45c it kicks it to 60%. You could even opt for 40% if you wanted. I chose to keep it at 50% because the noise is not noticeable to me and the idle volts are pushed up a bit higher due to Afterburner.

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Glory based on what you've written about your instability at lower fan speeds I would guess that it's actually the VRMs overheating at the lower fan speeds because while the MSI does have a contact plate over them it's pretty insubstantial looking from what I can tell. Certainly no where near the beefy VRM cooling on the Asus. If anybody could post some better clearer pictures of what that contact plate looks like and whether or not it has any fins on the top, or if it's just a flat piece of metal that they expected to be enough, then I we would be able to get a better idea if that is the problem glory is experiencing.
I suspected something along those lines as well. It didn't make sense to me that it wasn't completely stable at stock, but the thing is, if I add more volts I can stabilize it with lower fan speeds (at stock freq).

Not too sure why that is the case, but anyways I am definitely very happy with this card right now. I don't think I'll ever purchase a video card again from a company that doesn't bin their gpus.
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