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Well if he's quote 'your buddy', why not help him! funny way of showing being a mate
Sometimes no matter how much you try to help someone, they still persist in their own ways...funny...that seems to be a repeating theme here...
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How much experience have you had with overclocking? This attitude is generally reserved for amateur overclockers who have never had corrupted data.

I think you are confused. The error is not found because the CPU is at 100%. A major error, or more likely, many tiny irrecoverable errors, happen at any % of CPU usage. The programs are designed to find inconsistencies as fast as possible, utilizing all resources available to determine the stability. Its not lets see how hard we can squeeze your CPU till it breaks. Is it stressful? Sure, is the stress that causes error? No, that would be instability or heat. Another good way to test your cooling solution too I might add.

Not sure why this is even here. This has nothing to do with stability testing, unless you are assuming that all CPUs that are brand new should not be tested @ stock settings? Which a CPU should be tested to ensure its not defective. Rare, but it can happen.

Has nothing to do with stability testing. Its about error prevention.

Why would you even overclock then?

Again its not the stress that creates the error, its stress that finds the error. Errors can occur with as little as 1% core usage. The alternative is to use your computer until one day, your boot sector is corrupted, and Windows 7 repair, can't fix the files as the damage has occurred widespread through your file-system. At this point you are even lucky to recover data off the hard drive. Assuming you are still not using an unstable overclock, recovering data, will most likely keep it corrupt/re-corrupt it.

Stress testing your CPU, if its adequately cooled, is not shortening your hardwares life, its the extra voltage/clock cycles from the overclock if anything. It sounds like you have a ton still to learn / grasp and thats okay. Overclocking has many useful applications, such as a technical server upgrade, gaming, scientific calculations, protein folding, etc. Many of those demand stability for personal and professional reasons. Folding requires 100% accurate data, or its wasteful time for both the user and server, which anyday can provide a cure to cancer (hopefully.) A non tested overclock in that field is extremely frowned upon by many people who dedicate entire machines to just folding.

I am not saying you have to stress test your CPU, or it will die and kill everything in your computer, but you are not going to convince anyone who knows what they are doing that its a waste of time.

I don't get why people are ever against having a fully stable system? It takes about a day if you actually have good settings. Maybe apathy or general laziness, but still, it will create so many headaches in the long run trying to figure out why the computer just doesn't want to work today.
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doritos93 if you read more clearly, i clearly state at the bottom its not me who wrote this, its a person called Ryan. Who are you to say that im a noob at overclocking. Im just pointing what 'I' felt was right. Please dont judge a book by its cover. Thats what GOD is there for.
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Well if he's quote 'your buddy', why not help him! funny way of showing being a mate
Blakmumba, are you not even going to reply to RagingCain? He/she walked up in here and stomped all over your stuff and you just stroll on by like there was nothing to see?

I agree with RagingCain. Even if YOU didnt write all of that, but its what you agree with, then maybe you should do some of your OWN research and find out what the stress test programs do and how they can help you. RagingCain has lots of great information and because of people like him on here, I spent time testing my system and getting it right so that I wouldnt run into problems down the road.

On a personal note, I had to downclock my system because my OC was becoming unstable, come to find out, my bios flash was some how degrading causing my OC to fail. Nothing mechanical was wrong, just a simple peice of software that I would never have dreamed would be the root of my problems. Just because in my case software was to blame, doesnt mean my stress testing didnt make sure my hardware was doing what it was supposed to while my OC was in place.

I ran Prime and LinX at the same time for 12 hours to make sure my hardware was running well. My test to make sure Prime and LinX were enough, I ran Bigadv units of Folding at home SMP which is harder on a CPU than Prime and LinX combined (in my experience) and my CPU handled it with ease, thanks to my testing.

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Sometimes no matter how much you try to help someone, they still persist in their own ways...funny...that seems to be a repeating theme here...
I would have to agree
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doritos93 if you read more clearly, i clearly state at the bottom its not me who wrote this, its a person called Ryan. Who are you to say that im a noob at overclocking. Im just pointing what 'I' felt was right. Please dont judge a book by its cover. Thats what GOD is there for.
The person called ryan didn't come posting junk in an otherwise great forum (bar a few bulldozer threads lol).

People don't stability test their system because they're obsessive or think it's cool, they do it so it doesn't crash.

Never speak to one person, always get multiple answers and opinions, then they won't lead you astray.

If a system is stable after a couple hours prime it's basically luck.

And yes you are a noob, if you accepted this maybe you would take facts on board. everyone starts somewhere nothing to be ashamed of. lol.
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Well if he's quote 'your buddy', why not help him! funny way of showing being a mate
Lol. Do you not have any friends or something? There is
always the guy who can't be reasoned with.

I would like to see your response to RagingCain, without a reply you look a troll.
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It's really up to you how long do you want to "stress test" your overclocked CPU. If you think 1 hour is enough then so be it - be happy.

My i7 930 rig finishes 12 hours of prime (large FFTs) but failed on 5 passes of IBT so I am getting your point. After that incident, I learned something from it and always run IBT first (10-20 passes under maximum memory) then when it passes, just run Prime95 for a couple of hours then call it stable.

Bottomline here is it depends on what you do. I had to do it on my i7 930 rig because it was built to fold so it had to pass the 12-hour Prime95 or else it will never finish a single work unit.

Almost everybody here agrees to that 12-hour stress test (and that includes myself) because let me tell you, once your rig passes that 12-hour test, then it's guaranteed rock stable.
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In honor of this thread I ran another 18 hour run of prime blend, and 20 rounds of linpack at 4800MB. Like always it passed with flying colors.

Actually I do that about once a month to check for degradation. I don't like my CPUs to lie to me.
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The way I see it is, OCing is a risk. Accept it or dont OC. Also even if you killed it in lets say 3yrs, who cares? Prolly can now be replaced for 75% less than you originally paid for it if you even want to lol. I say, watch your Volts and Temps and hammer the little S.O.B till it pukes or gets replaced. ^^All Opinion^^
     
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As long as the proc in within voltage and thermal envelopes ,an oc will make no difference to chip life,benching or not. OP-go back to 'ryan' and tell him i said he needs a facenappy.
I run 4hrs of p95,4hrs of occt and 20 passses of IBT...i would do more but i like pr0n....


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I usually run AOD Stress Test for 1 hour 1st as this quickly shows up any errors. If this completes successfully I then run Prime95 for roughly 8hrs but on most occasions only for 2hrs. Alot of people say to leave it on overnight for approx 12+hrs but im not so keen on stressing my pc especially my cpu for so long (read in another article that even if you do leave it running on overnight or 12+ hrs you still cannot say for surely that my pc is 'stable' as to have a stable pc you would need prime95 running continuously - logic really). After all that you can test your memory for any errors using MemTest86+ or just start GAMING lol as that does stress your cpu etc out.
Make up your mind nub,bench or not......AOD Stress Test? LAWL!

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A few words of advice,

1st. 8 hrs of prime95 does NOT assure you're stable, try passing 12-24 hrs. I've had failures at 20 hrs which can be a real PITA. Exceeding the 4.0GHz barrier can be a bit trying as well, but with time and patience it can be crossed if your chip is up to it. Not all chips can. I spent over a week to do it and stay stable, and found after passing that wall, 4.2 was a lot easier to achieve. Still working on a 4370MHz OC.

2nd. You have the memory tightened up which may need to have the Dram voltage pushed higher than stock which may be your current issue.

3rd. Always start with finding max "isolated" CPU limits and voltage requirements, than find the max isolated mobo HTT settings. Keep notes of these isolated settings than add them together while keeping HT Link Speed, NB Freq, and dram at near stock levels. Test for stability between all increases and pass a minimum of 12 hrs or prime95.

4th. Next would be to push the NB Freq as high as possible (2600-3000MHz), for your chip this may be a max of 2800Mhz.

5th. After the above is stabilized than try tightening the Ram and OC Dram Freq slightly.

Appears you're doing things a bit out of order, thus limiting your potential.
If you haven't seen/studied this thread http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ing-guide.html I'd highly recommend it and refer back to it often as needed. It has lots of info on the "HOW TO" OC plus shows you a real good path to follow.

What bios version are you running?
I'd be more than happy to assist you with setting up your bios for optimal performance as the CHIV's bios is different than most other mobo's as you can tell. You may want to check out the Link in my sig and join us in the Asus Crosshair IV Formula/Extreme Club where you'll find more info and a good group to help answer your questions on the CHIV.

If you'd like help with your bios, or anything else, feel free to PM me as I'm always more than happy to help those that ask for it.
Good luck and have fun!
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Thanx Sandman, will defo take up your offer for help, il pm you tomorrow if thats ok with you as your help would be greatly appreciated.

Right,that confirms to me your trolling. you have a member here telling you to bench for 12+ hrs and THEN you start a thread going on about overtesting?
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The way I see it is, OCing is a risk. Accept it or dont OC. Also even if you killed it in lets say 3yrs, who cares? Prolly can now be replaced for 75% less than you originally paid for it if you even want to lol. I say, watch your Volts and Temps and hammer the little S.O.B till it pukes or gets replaced. ^^All Opinion^^
This. Also, I always roll my eyes at people that go "Oh look, I got to 4 GHz at default voltage" then you advice them to bump the voltage to get a higher OC and then they're like "No, I don't want my CPU to die faster". People have to realize that upping the frequency will shorten the CPU's life.
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