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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior View Post
Agreed. I don't play in surround but my monitor is 2560x1440 and I hover between 1.2-1.5GB VRAM usage depending on the game.

3GB 580s will be coming down in price soon though. Asus and EVGA are bringing their own models to the market at a lower price point than the Palit cards, so that may be a practical option as well.

You can see the benefits of the extra framebuffer quite clearly at 1600p, let alone in surround:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...GTX_590/1.html
I hope Asus and eVGA add some competition to the 3GB 580 market, but I won't get my hopes up that they'll be cheaper. I'm expecting around £450.

Sadly, that 1600p framebuffer effect is not really true. What you're seeing there is the dual-GPU effect, rather than 3GB of VRAM. You have to remember that the dual-GPU cards don't treat the VRAM like RAID0 - they treat it like RAID1... both GPUs have the same information mirrored between them.

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What do you think of the Asus 120Hz monitor? I was thinking of buying two more and add one more 470 (for tri-SLI). How would this setup fair using my sig rig? (Note: I can definitely OC without heat issues because my rig is completely watercooled).
Thanks!
Tri-SLI won't really help the VRAM issue. It'll give you more raw power, but will still suffer from VRAM limitations. I don't know about the Asus 120Hz monitor, never used it. If you like it, go for it though.

Actually, I've got a bit more benching data to talk about when I get the chance. I swapped in 12GB of RAM (was 6GB when I did the 1GB vs. 2GB Surround review) and the VRAM limit doesn't appear to be so hard. It looks like the cards are 'TurboCaching' to the system RAM too. It's a bit weird. Might try 18GB if I get the chance.
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It looks like the cards are 'TurboCaching' to the system RAM too. It's a bit weird. Might try 18GB if I get the chance.
That's interesting. If this is true, then adding additional system RAM, buying another 470 and then going with three 120Hz monitors in "Nvivia Surround" might work @ 5760X1080p resolution, playing games like Cryisis 2 at frame rates above 30....I hope?!?!
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SLI 460s are beast on single monitors, but gonna get hurt trying to drive 3 1080 displays in surround, simply not enough vram.

I hate to say it, but IMO the best bang for the buck in terms of getting into right now for Surround/Eyefinity setups is a pair of 6950 2GB in CF. You have the needed Vram right off the bat, decent power and the best part is their is like a 99% unlock rate to 6970s assuming your willing to give it a try.

If you had to stick w/ Nvidia, your only real option at the moment would be a pair of Palit 2GB GTX 560s. I know their are some 2GB 460s on the market, but i dont think your really gonna get enough horsepower out of them to drive 3x 1080p displays at what most OCN'ers would call reasonable. I'd personally hate to drop $450 on GPUs and not be able to run at least 4x-8x AA.
    
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post #24 of 33
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That's interesting. If this is true, then adding additional system RAM, buying another 470 and then going with three 120Hz monitors in "Nvivia Surround" might work @ 5760X1080p resolution, playing games like Cryisis 2 at frame rates above 30....I hope?!?!
Don't get me wrong - games are still unplayable when the GPUs run out of VRAM with 12GB of system RAM... it's just that the framerates are slightly better. Basically, with 12GB of RAM I don't see the instantaneous drop from 40+fps to 1fps when it hits up against the VRAM limit.

With both 6GB and 12GB, when VRAM runs out, I see system RAM usage hit 100%, and with 12GB it still chugs something terrible. It's still sub-10fps, it's just not sub-1fps. It's not a magic fix, just a strange observation. System RAM just doesn't have the bandwidth and low latencies necessary to make it smooth.

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SLI 460s are beast on single monitors, but gonna get hurt trying to drive 3 1080 displays in surround, simply not enough vram.

I hate to say it, but IMO the best bang for the buck in terms of getting into right now for Surround/Eyefinity setups is a pair of 6950 2GB in CF. You have the needed Vram right off the bat, decent power and the best part is their is like a 99% unlock rate to 6970s assuming your willing to give it a try.

If you had to stick w/ Nvidia, your only real option at the moment would be a pair of Palit 2GB GTX 560s. I know their are some 2GB 460s on the market, but i dont think your really gonna get enough horsepower out of them to drive 3x 1080p displays at what most OCN'ers would call reasonable. I'd personally hate to drop $450 on GPUs and not be able to run at least 4x-8x AA.
You aren't going to see 5760x1080 (or more, by the time bezel correction is added) running at 8xAA any time soon. Even the 3GB GTX580s can't really manage that.

I'd love the chance to play with the 6GB Quadro cards in Surround. But they're essentially GTX480s with quadruple the VRAM... it would just be interesting to see how much VRAM I could get things to chew up.

If you're careful with AA, 2GB GTX460s work great.

...

I've not seen anything yet that can really manage 3D Vision Surround properly. The combination of 3D and Surround resolutions is absolute murder on current GPUs.

...

I do need to see if I can get my hands on a pair of 6950s/6970s to test VRAM usage with. I remember back in the X1900-era that ATi cards were more VRAM efficient; whether that is still the case or not, I have no idea. I haven't touched ATi/AMD since the 4800 series.
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580 sli JK. thats stupid money tbh. 480 sli would do, the price is pretty good atm too
Actually I just spent 'stupid money' on 580 SLI. Even though I consider such money an investment, my previous card was an old GTX 275, I waited 2 full generations and 3 years for a full blown upgrade, Nvidia will see me again in 3 years.

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if the OP is gonna spend a lot on a GPU setup for surround.... I suggest a 6990 or a 590
According to several reviews I have read, the 590 isn't really suited for 3D Surround, especially at high resolutions due to the limited (1.5 GVB x2) VRAM amount.

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6990 would be quite a good bet. but not a 590 unless you want a flaming case mod.
True if overclocked, I believe on factory settings (underclocked) it's quite stable.

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Actually, I've got a bit more benching data to talk about when I get the chance. I swapped in 12GB of RAM (was 6GB when I did the 1GB vs. 2GB Surround review) and the VRAM limit doesn't appear to be so hard. It looks like the cards are 'TurboCaching' to the system RAM too. It's a bit weird. Might try 18GB if I get the chance.
Interesting concept, care to develop on 'Turbocaching'?
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Interesting concept, care to develop on 'Turbocaching'?
It's nVidia tech from years ago, which they tended to use on laptop chipsets and on the low-end desktop GPUs so they could give it, say, 64-256MB of VRAM on the card, then get it to use system RAM if it needed more. Exactly like ATi's HyperMemory. To be honest, the idea wasn't great, it wasn't terribly well thought out and as a result it ended up fairly useless.

Some reading on TurboCache:

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/page/turbocache.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboCache

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/124



But it's the closest example I can think of that mirrors roughly what I'm seeing in system RAM usage.
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Sadly, that 1600p framebuffer effect is not really true. What you're seeing there is the dual-GPU effect, rather than 3GB of VRAM. You have to remember that the dual-GPU cards don't treat the VRAM like RAID0 - they treat it like RAID1... both GPUs have the same information mirrored between them.
See, this is why I shouldn't post early in the morning. I totally misread that "3GB" 590 bench as a 3GB 580.

The new 3GB 580s are supposed to be closer to the 500 dollar mark though, or so I've read.
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See, this is why I shouldn't post early in the morning. I totally misread that "3GB" 590 bench as a 3GB 580.

The new 3GB 580s are supposed to be closer to the 500 dollar mark though, or so I've read.
Heh, no worries, you got me wondering whether I'd read it wrong.

I hope that equates to a similarly low price in the UK. Then they might be affordable. But the prices of the 1.5GB GTX580s have to drop first here. Cheapest I remember when I checked today was £390 or something.
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don't buy a 480, buy a 570 instead; they perform much better for much less power consumption

And I think 570 SLI would be pretty okay for 3x 1080, but don't expect any to run heavy games on 8x AA
I disagree. The 570 gets demolished by the 480 at high resolutions because of the 480's extra vRam, etc. Gaming at 5760x1200 I noticed a drop of 60 FPS in BC2 when switching to a 570 SLI setup, went from 90 FPS to 30 FPS. I noticed these results in most games, not as dramatic.

So, if I were you, I would get the 480's if you are debating between the 2.
Edited by Moltar - 4/14/11 at 2:09pm
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What the hell are you on about?



Oh yeah 1% is a huge difference. And the GTX480 is like £90 cheaper.
But runs hotter, draws more power and doesn't have the OC headroom a GTX570 has. Just sayin'.
    
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