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Ok, so I originally posted on the wrong forum (overclockers.com!!!, lol)

So I'm planning an i5-2500 or BD m-ITX build for the summer. The goal is to have a small, space-saving box, but I am still open to m-ATX if it's much, much smarter.

I plan on using this case, but I am 100% open to new ideas, especially small, good m-ATX cases:

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The goal is to put an i5-2500(or k), an aftermarket heatsink and fan, one (or two ) GTX460 or 6850, 8GB ram, and one (or two) hard drives. Will this be fine with the stock 450W PSU, if I only go for one GPU?

How much more do you think I'm going to pay for a m-ITX build over a m-ATX build? I'll forgo some space-saving if it means a hundred or two hundred dollars saved in cases and mobos.

What about the heat? My region gets really hot sometimes, 30+ degrees indoors in the summer, and I worry about the components being in such a small area with not the best ventilation. Is there anything I can do? I'll have 3-year warranties on most pieces, but I'd rather play it safe.

Thanks everyone. I'm totally new to m-ITX's and need help from the pros. The point of this rig is to be out of sight behind the monitor, and be much cheaper and much more powerful than a Sager laptop, so I can't go against those principles. Also going to be running one or two virtual machines...

Any help you can offer me (even telling me it won't work) is greatly appreciate. Thanks again.
Edited by Rykoshet - 4/14/11 at 6:45am
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you should be fine on a good 450w like seasonic or something with just one of those gpus. here's a good thread on mini-itx vs m-atx

http://www.overclock.net/htpc/525322...-mini-itx.html

i would go matx myself and i've been planning on doing it for a while anyway.
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well for a start I have never seen a mini-itx (i assume thats what you mean by M-ITX) build that can have 2 graphics cards in it. The motherboards only ever have 1 PCI-e slot, you could go GTX590 or HD6990/HD5970 but to be honest that is kind of defeating the point of such a small (17"x17") form factor to start with!.

I would say go Micro ATX and you could get a Coolermaster Eltie 341 (great Micro ATX Case)

Mini-ITX are great for file servers (i even have one system running as a Media PC) but they are not really for gaming, in my opinion!

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link doesnt work for me , wish i could see the case your deciding on

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well for a start I have never seen a mini-itx (i assume thats what you mean by M-ITX) build that can have 2 graphics cards in it. The motherboards only ever have 1 PCI-e slot, you could go GTX590 or HD6990/HD5970 but to be honest that is kind of defeating the point of such a small (17"x17") form factor to start with!.

I would say go Micro ATX and you could get a Coolermaster Eltie 341 (great Mixro ATX Case)

Mini-ITX are great for file servers (i even have one system running as a Media PC) but they are not really for gaming, in my opinion!

Good luck
i have seen some very powerfull m-itx systems and have owned a few. it can be done without going to large. silverstone sg05 case is very ideal for high end m-itx systems without sacrificing video card performance

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Check out this case bro. I Actually did a ITX build for a friend with this case, and you can fit a Corsair H50 perfectly in the top. Case is a bit pricey, but the end result was awesome. Tiny, compact, and nice and cool. Also you can fit a decent sized GPU in here. (I used a HD5550 just for HTPC 1080p playback, passively cooled). The end result was nearly silent out in the open, and on the stereo rack you cannot even notice the sound



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-265-_-Product

For sure ITX will cost a bit more, but if you wanna go small it's the only way. A Micro ATX system will defintiely give you tons of more options, but at 2x the size.

Really the only expensive part is gonna be the motherboard, which will run you around 1.5-2x as much... But really were talking only like $50 or so

These are really nice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-709-_-Product
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soilentblue View Post
you should be fine on a good 450w like seasonic or something with just one of those gpus. here's a good thread on mini-itx vs m-atx

http://www.overclock.net/htpc/525322...-mini-itx.html

i would go matx myself and i've been planning on doing it for a while anyway.
I was really really leaning m-atx, but then I saw RagingInferno's post...

http://www.overclock.net/small-form-...e-sg07-i5.html

I think I may be leaning towards this, though it's probably not the smarter choice...

I'm guessing the lifetime of the machine will drastically be reduced when the parts are in such a cramped space?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jen View Post
link doesnt work for me , wish i could see the case your deciding on

hugs

Jen
http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=035189

Sorry.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phobos223 View Post
Check out this case bro. I Actually did a ITX build for a friend with this case, and you can fit a Corsair H50 perfectly in the top. Case is a bit pricey, but the end result was awesome. Tiny, compact, and nice and cool. Also you can fit a decent sized GPU in here. (I used a HD5550 just for HTPC 1080p playback, passively cooled). The end result was nearly silent out in the open, and on the stereo rack you cannot even notice the sound



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-265-_-Product

For sure ITX will cost a bit more, but if you wanna go small it's the only way. A Micro ATX system will defintiely give you tons of more options, but at 2x the size.

Really the only expensive part is gonna be the motherboard, which will run you around 1.5-2x as much... But really were talking only like $50 or so

These are really nice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-709-_-Product
That's a really nice case. It's probably smarter to use that, but I was thinking the smaller SUGO, that comes with a 450W PSU already...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-171-_-Product

Too small?
Edited by Rykoshet - 4/14/11 at 6:49am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jen View Post
i have seen some very powerfull m-itx systems and have owned a few. it can be done without going to large. silverstone sg05 case is very ideal for high end m-itx systems without sacrificing video card performance

Jen
Hi Jen,

Sorry - to make my point clear - OP mentioned about using 2 GPUs - this is not possible as far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong) as there is only ever 1 PCI-e 16x slot on the mini-itx mobos.
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microATX allows more room for expansion. With Mini-ITX, you're pretty much limited to 1 GPU. If you can live with that, then you shoukd be fine. A decent 450W PSU should have no problem with single GPU configurations unless you're talking about the GTX 480 or higher.

Nowadays, there's barely any price premium comparing M-ITX with mATX. I was speccing out a couple of builds for myself and the mATX ended up being more expensive (mostly coz of the case). Motherboards, pricing is almost on parity.

My favorite case for use in M-ITX gaming rigs is the Sugo SG05BB-450. The SG07 and PC-Q08 are way too big for me.
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