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Cool man, well whatever you end up doing be sure to make a build log on here as that little thing is gonna be a beast!
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Originally Posted by Phobos223 View Post
The Asus ITX board I mentioned earlier does have some decent OC options, so you will be able to crank it up a bit, but obviously not as much as a micro atx.
Since it has an H67 chipset, that ASUS board has practically zero overclocking. Okay, not exactly zero but at most 5~10% stable when changing BCLK. Seriously, not worth the potential hassles. Right now, when it comes to Intel LGA-1155, it's mostly the chipset that matters. It doesn't matter if your motherboard supports up to 500MHz BCLK. You're still only limited to running around 105~110 or you risk instability.

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Originally Posted by Phobos223 View Post
Bulldozer in an HTPC would be taking "overkill" to an entirely new level But I like it!
Only if it actually beats Sandy Bridge. Right now, SB offers the best performance in everything except the most heavily threaded tasks, whether you're looking at Mini-ITX, microATX or full ATX.

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There are also some sweet AMD asus ITX boards that can roll a Thuban X6. Little cheaper than Intel setup and plenty of power to go around.
Caveat, needs to be a 95W Thuban X6 and I don't think you can find those retail.

I often see the H50 on sale now for $60~65. Assuming you don't need a huge hard drive (need to remove the 3.5" drive bay in order to install the H50), I'd recommend just going with it. Given the awful layout on current LGA-1155 M-ITX boards getting the H50 for around ~$60 w/free ship might end up cheaper than getting a heatsink and a fan that will fit inside M-ITX case constraints without blocking the PCIe slot.

Here's a tentative build I have specced for myself:
  • Silverstone Sugo SG05BB-450, $120.00
  • stock 450W, $0
  • Gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3, $110.00
  • Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3 GHz, $225.00
  • 2x4GB DDR3 1600, $75.00
  • EVGA GTX 460 1GB, $200.00
  • Corsair H50, $65.00
  • Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB, $230.00
  • TOTAL: $1,025

Replace the SSD with an HDD and it will probably cost just around $900 (might have to go with a 2.5" HDD with the H50).
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Originally Posted by rui-no-onna View Post
Since it has an H67 chipset, that ASUS board has practically zero overclocking. Okay, not exactly zero but at most 5~10% stable when changing BCLK. Seriously, not worth the potential hassles. Right now, when it comes to Intel LGA-1155, it's mostly the chipset that matters. It doesn't matter if your motherboard supports up to 500MHz BCLK. You're still only limited to running around 105~110 or you risk instability.


Only if it actually beats Sandy Bridge. Right now, SB offers the best performance in everything except the most heavily threaded tasks, whether you're looking at Mini-ITX, microATX or full ATX.


Caveat, needs to be a 95W Thuban X6 and I don't think you can find those retail.

I often see the H50 on sale now for $60~65. Assuming you don't need a huge hard drive (need to remove the 3.5" drive bay in order to install the H50), I'd recommend just going with it. Given the awful layout on current LGA-1155 M-ITX boards getting the H50 for around ~$60 w/free ship might end up cheaper than getting a heatsink and a fan that will fit inside M-ITX case constraints without blocking the PCIe slot.

Here's a tentative build I have specced for myself:
  • Silverstone Sugo SG05BB-450, $120.00
  • stock 450W, $0
  • Gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3, $110.00
  • Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3 GHz, $225.00
  • 2x4GB DDR3 1600, $75.00
  • EVGA GTX 460 1GB, $200.00
  • Corsair H50, $65.00
  • Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB, $230.00
  • TOTAL: $1,025

Replace the SSD with an HDD and it will probably cost just around $900 (might have to go with a 2.5" HDD with the H50).
Thanks so much. FYI, I saw a 1GB 460 for 130 on Tigerdirect.

Thankfully it had the one-fan layout.
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Originally Posted by Rykoshet View Post
Thanks so much. FYI, I saw a 1GB 460 for 130 on Tigerdirect.

Thankfully it had the one-fan layout.
Just make sure it's the GTX 460 and not the GTX 460 SE. The SE version has considerably less CUDA/shader processors.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rui-no-onna View Post
Just make sure it's the GTX 460 and not the GTX 460 SE. The SE version has considerably less CUDA/shader processors.
Phew, thank you for that!!

I'm praying Bulldozer allows for Hybrid CF with some decent cards, like 6850 or something.
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Originally Posted by Mitche01 View Post
Hi Jen,

Sorry - to make my point clear - OP mentioned about using 2 GPUs - this is not possible as far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong) as there is only ever 1 PCI-e 16x slot on the mini-itx mobos.
there is a few dual gpu video cards out there ,

but no mitx board i know has dual pci e slots


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OP, see posts: take their excellent advices-
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Originally Posted by soilentblue View Post
i would go matx myself and i've been planning on doing it for a while anyway.
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Originally Posted by Mitche01 View Post
I would say go Micro ATX and you could get a Coolermaster Eltie 341 (great Micro ATX Case)
I agree with them. I had experinced both mATX and mITX, I rather go mATX instead of mITX.
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I agree with them. I had experinced both mATX and mITX, I rather go mATX instead of mITX.
I've been building mATX previously. Now that I've started with M-ITX, wouldn't go back to mATX. I love how portable my computers have become while still being relative powerhouses.
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The indecisiveness of the answers on this board have made me even more unsure of what to build
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The indecisiveness of the answers on this board have made me even more unsure of what to build
It really just depends on what restrictions you can live with. For me, I'd probably replace the GPU instead of adding another one for SLI/CF and I don't really need more than something mid-range level (around GTX 460) so going Mini-ITX was an easy choice. If you need more expandability, then you'd probably want microATX.
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