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Originally Posted by justarealguy;13127685 
It bested the PSX in certain areas. A small texture cache and tiny storage device really hurt it. Luckily, due to heavily stylized games, the results were still superb and age exceptionally well.

Yeah I know, but the post in question that I responded to called the N64 a pile and said it had no graphical horsepower which it did indeed have.
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What was the GPU resembling? I thought it was more in the performance range of the Radeon 9200 or something? The Wii's GPU is kicking a GPU clocked at 233 MHz with 24 Mb of memory?

If they were running at HD, they would have surely needed a more powerful GPU. They were able to pull away with XBOX equivalent graphics at the same resolution. It wouldn't have been able to do HD at the same quality.

Graphics were a big set back for the console. We even saw cross platform games that looked dated on the Wii. Let alone, lacked some content as well. Although graphics are not everything, it surely held back many "quality" games.

What are you saying? That's my point all together, Nintendo went the Apple route. They put in cheap hardware but sold it at twice if not triple the manufacturing price. The GPU in the Wii is just sad, it can't do HD resolutions. I was saying it should have had better hardware to do HD resolution even if it wasn't that different of a GPU.
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Originally Posted by Seeing Red;13128438 
I agree with the above. Nintendo out sold the competition with previous gen hardware (Gamecube). They inovated their control scheme to open the market to everyone.

And releasing the console early could mean 2 years of unchallenged sales as people grow tired of their 360s and PS3s. The only thing that would keep people away is the lack of good games. If they can get good games developed for their console than it could still compete well when the next gen 720s or ps4s are released.

One of your comments kind of implied that:

It's a win for Nintendo but a lose for gamers. If Nintendo like you said can get good games than the hardware being 2 years behind wouldn't matter.

A lot of that doesn't mean crap to most consumers. I'm sure even some "home theater gurus" saw the PS3 as a console first and overlooked it's capabilities as a good blu-ray player.

Notice how the Wii has reached the end of it's life? Heck, it did awhile ago actually. The only people still buying Wiis are the ones who just never got a chance to before. The "omg" factor of the Wii died out fast. The only reason the Wii sold remotely good as it did was because Nintendo has good marketing and plenty of tricks. They managed to bottleneck supply in relation to the massive demand of it, making it the "hot" item to buy. People would buy Wiis by the 3s in stores because they were so in demand and talked about.
Why did people buy the Wii like crazy?
1)Instead of good graphics, the Wii had motion controls. At the time, that was amazing and new to the consumers and it was hot! You had to have it.
2)Nintendo kept production down. The Wii had stupidly cheap and common hardware in it. There was no reason for Nintendo not to be able to keep up in production. Microsoft and Sony, even with their pretty "advanced" consoles (more so Sony because of Bluray being new), was able to keep up with production fairly well. But not Nintendo? You would think the exact opposite. The item that "can't" be found anywhere else sells 20x better than the item that can be bought just about anywhere. Nintendo pulled this stunt twice: Wii Fit. You couldn't get one of those things anywhere without seeing a mob. The second Best Buy put down a stack of them, it was a free-for-all. I was there to witness it once first hand, and that was almost 3 weeks after the damn thing had come out. 3 weeks. The stack of like 40 was obliterated almost 4 minutes after it hit the floor. "Sold out".
3)Nintendo was able to appeal to a broad spectrum of consumers. Young, older, oldest. Their technology, as completely dated and arguable lame, was fascinating to the untaught masses. Then their games, as stupid as alot of them were, was tooled to just about every demographic out there. On the Wii, you can find a game for anyone of any age. Generic games is the Wii's middle and last name.

At this point, graphics doesn't matter to the masses and sales has is completely unaffected by it. Graphics do indeed matter to an extent to consumers, but the Wii had "so much more" going for it - no one cared. And the younglings or the old people don't compare between SD and HD to begin with. Add in tech stupid people, and it's all irrelevant to sales. Heck, I'm willing to bet there are ALOT of PS3s and Xbox 360s owned by families that are connected with analog Yellow/White/Red wires especially considering that's all they come with.

This "document" (lol) leads me to my point about no one saying that graphics will make this flop like originally inquired. Assuming Nintendo has some kind of new "WOW" and "OMG" factor to feed off the masses with like the motion tracking Wii and the glasses free 3DS..... then graphics is irrelevant to sales. But, graphics is still a major factor to most people at the same time. Consumers bought the Wiis by the truck loads, but end up with truck loads of Wiis covered by dust because they never get used because in the end - the "WOW" factor dies out quick thanks to lack of content, graphics, and so on. The lasting appeal of a product is what makes the difference.
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What are you saying? That's my point all together, Nintendo went the Apple route. They put in cheap hardware but sold it at twice if not triple the manufacturing price. The GPU in the Wii is just sad, it can't do HD resolutions. I was saying it should have had better hardware to do HD resolution even if it wasn't that different of a GPU.
Oh.
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Maybe they'll target the hardcore crowd? They could easily stick a decent quad core processor and a gtx460 in there with 2 gigs of ddr3 ram and sell it for around $300. Would destroy the ps3 and xbox. Games with uber graphics for only $100 more.

heres to hoping Nintendo wants to push the market like they did with the n64.

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they should bring back the old name, Nintendo Revolution.
I always thought it was awesome, but was completely shocked when they changed it to "wii".
Made me feel kind of gay
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The N64 was a pile that managed thanks to the incredible first party games and heavy doses of smooth shading away the system's lack of horsepower.
but it had 4 player goldeneye
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It seems to me if they're announcing a new console now, then they were explicitly waiting for AMD to hit the 32 or 28nm node. All of the people crying for Nintendo to wait don't get it. The competition is going to have to wait for 20nm(over a year after this would be selling) to actually get a generational leap, otherwise they're just going to be releasing hardware with the same design limits later on.

Nintendo basically has four options with their GPU, most likely and least wanted to least likely and most wanted, being APU, 6670, 5770, 6870

Nintendo 32nm APU very similar to llano, i'd assume.

The 6670 28nm GPU would be very similar to the Wii "hollywood" GPU in size.

The 5770 28nm would be a compromise between performance and price. Die size being halfway between the 6870 28nm and the Wii gpu.

The 6870 28nm would be a microsoft kick in the pants. Nearly as large as the 90nm Xbox GPU. Require Nintendo subsidized consoles.
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The N64 was a pile that managed thanks to the incredible first party games and heavy doses of smooth shading away the system's lack of horsepower.
The Nintendo 64 was hands down the most powerful console of that generation, its weakness was in use of expensive cartridges that limited games to ~32MB in size (and in best case scenarios 64MB). Compare that to the disc based Playstation where media capacity was ~650MB, ie 10-20 times the size. This meant the Playstation - a far weaker console - could make up for its shortcomings through far superior texture quality (increased texture sizes) as well as diverse number of textures, and also vastly superior audio quality.

Whats more is that the CDs were so cheap relative to cartridges, it meant games could be several discs in size, whereas it was prohibitively expensive to even think about doing that for a cartridge based game.
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but it had 4 player goldeneye
Hell yeah!! i was addicted to that .. n64 was so awsome at the time .

Theres nothing awsome at this present time for consoles .
    
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Maybe they'll target the hardcore crowd? They could easily stick a decent quad core processor and a gtx460 in there with 2 gigs of ddr3 ram and sell it for around $300. Would destroy the ps3 and xbox. Games with uber graphics for only $100 more.

heres to hoping Nintendo wants to push the market like they did with the n64.

Yeah, that would be a PC. Not a console.
    
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Yeah, that would be a PC. Not a console.
There are phones that have 512 Mb of internal memory. Let alone, a console is based off of the exact same design of a computer.
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