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It seems like most people aren't bothered by this whole fiasco.

All this work for barely anything just taints Valve's image in my book. It's pretty much bs.
Why? If you bought the games, just for this, blame yourself. However, if you are like me and played the ones you had already, it was just fun.
    
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It isn't their fault not enough people idled? They obviously had a much earlier prediction based on the information they had, but clearly 50% or more of the community really didn't care about playing those games.

I suppose if you look at it on the whole, it's nice of them to give us this opportunity. Not many other developers would. We just didn't have enough power.
Well north of 1000 people got their golden potatos alone. That's hours and hours from each of those people. Obviously many more have been playing the games as well. Plenty of people have been playing these games. If their predictions were this far off, I guess they need new analysts.

Besides that, Valve could've easily made some real-time modifications to however this works if they really wanted to and adapted for the lower-than-expected turnout, assuming that's even true.

They turned what could have been a really rewarding experience into an obvious money grab.
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Why? If you bought the games, just for this, blame yourself. However, if you are like me and played the ones you had already, it was just fun.
I owned the Potato Sack before I even knew about any ARG challenge and like the games. So no, that has nothing to do with my opinion.
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A lot of people are looking at it thinking "oh wow, I bought these games just for a few hours earlier a release?", but you shouldn't really think of it like that. They sold you 13, yes 13 awesome games for £24. You really can't complain. The enjoyment you'll get out of those games individually spans much longer than this Portal 2 release stuff.

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Well north of 1000 people got their golden potatos alone. That's hours and hours from each of those people. Obviously many more have been playing the games as well. Plenty of people have been playing these games. If their predictions were this far off, I guess they need new analysts.

Besides that, Valve could've easily made some real-time modifications to however this works if they really wanted to and adapted for the lower-than-expected turnout, assuming that's even true.

They turned what could have been a really rewarding experience into an obvious money grab.
Those people were let down by those who owned the games and didn't care about the potatoes and the Portal 2 release. It's a group effort, and when only one person puts in it's no longer a group. The only people we have to blame for not getting it sooner are those who didn't bother helping, not Valve. They gave us the chance.

It just wouldn't have worked if they made it easier half way through.

It's not really a money grab on their behalf because each customer got 13 brilliant games for £24. Really, who can complain? That's half the RRP of any modern game.
Edited by GoTMaXPoWeR - 4/18/11 at 6:10pm
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A lot of people are looking at it thinking "oh wow, I bought these games just for a few hours earlier a release?", but you shouldn't really think of it like that. They sold you 13, yes 13 awesome games for £24. You really can't complain. The enjoyment you'll get out of those games individually spans much longer than this Portal 2 release stuff.
That's moot for many as we already owned the games before this challenge started.

Aside from that, I really don't see what that has to do with many people pouring hours of "work" into something and getting pretty much nothing in return.
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I wish they would just release it already.. I mean.. the pirates are already playing it, why can't we?
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That's moot for many as we already owned the games before this challenge started.
Then what's your complaint? From a rational standpoint I can understand why you'd be annoyed about the outcome of this situation in general, but they gave us an opportunity and we didn't rise to the challenge. It's not on their backs to make it easier for us to get to the goal, they gave us a set challenge and didn't look back. Those who participated did on the invalid assumption that if they kept a steady involvement they'd get the game earlier, just because they didn't get it as early as they like doesn't mean the blame should be on Valve.
Edited by GoTMaXPoWeR - 4/18/11 at 6:17pm
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Well north of 1000 people got their golden potatos alone. That's hours and hours from each of those people. Obviously many more have been playing the games as well. Plenty of people have been playing these games. If their predictions were this far off, I guess they need new analysts.

Besides that, Valve could've easily made some real-time modifications to however this works if they really wanted to and adapted for the lower-than-expected turnout, assuming that's even true.

They turned what could have been a really rewarding experience into an obvious money grab.

I owned the Potato Sack before I even knew about any ARG challenge and like the games. So no, that has nothing to do with my opinion.


I'm not sure how to view what Valve did. I mean, it is a little of a coincidence that the game will be released on the day it was supposed to be released, no ?

On the other hand, I have my doubts it would have been possible otherwise.

If Valve released the game early on their store, wouldn't the retailers not like it ? And if they did, would Valve not have to tell the retailers they could also release it early ? I think this would have been a very complicated thing to do given there are hundreds of thousands of stores worldwide. Imagine if every game developer decided to do something like this ? I don't think retailers are going to be checking their e-mail for a word from Valve saying "Hey, you can now put the game on the shelves".

These product launches are normally arranged with a few weeks to spare, it's not within a 5 minute time frame worldwide.

So, yeah, it's kind of a brilliant marketing on Valve's part to promote indie developers (there are some very nice games out there), in the same way they promoted the original Portal by putting it into the Orange Box, but in the end the game couldn't really be released much earlier.

Valve knows very well how much a game sells when it's on sale and how many of those indie games they had already sold before and the playing statistics, it knows very well how many minutes people play games, it knows how many copies of Portal 2 have been per-ordered, and it knows how many minutes people play when they are excited about a new release, so yes, they have all the data they need to make an accurate estimate and make it so that the game will be released on the day it's supposed to. Sure, a few hours earlier, but it's the same day.
 
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It's not really a money grab on their behalf because each customer got 13 brilliant games for £24. Really, who can complain? That's half the RRP of any modern game.
Whether or not they got the games in return for the money is beside the point.

Valve knew that people would buy the Potato Sack to get it released sooner. If these purchases and participation would've made a noticeable difference, I would just congratulate their marketing team on a job well done with the launch. They made the company more money and satisfied the user base with a very interactive product launch at the same time. But that just isn't the case. They got more people to buy the games alright, but all they did was piss tons of people off in the process. Not rewarding the effort, with the launch pretty much remaining the same, and the Potato Sack being advertised everywhere you look in their client and website makes it an obvious money grab.
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they have all the data they need to make an accurate estimate and make it so that the game will be released on the day it's supposed to. Sure, a few hours earlier, but it's the same day.
What makes you think that there was any actual calculation involved? They didn't have to estimate anything, just tweak the numbers from their end to make the timer fit the release date.

Other than that I agree with you entirely.

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