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Originally Posted by TigerLord;13139218 
That is your interpretation and I do not agree with it. I re-read my original post and I find it to be clear, concise, to the point and not emotionally compromised. It presents facts as they were provided to me, and it does not seek to manipulate.

Whatever reactions ensued isn't my responsibility. I was the victim of XFX's dishonesty/incompetence, wasted many hours trying to get to the bottom of it, and came to the conclusion that such business practices should be exposed if only so another enthusiast does not get the shaft like I did. If it was clear all along AMD opted for the changes, XFX should have been able to alter their model number (they were already selling a non reference card under a different model) like MSI or PowerColor did. Instead, they blamed a retailer who clearly, has NOTHING to do with the problem.

You do not know me personally, so do not pretend to know or imply I had hidden, self-indulgent motives for posting this thread. You might not agree with my position, that's your right, but don't patronize me for it.
Yes, your thread title and OP has a hostile tone to it the way I read it.

While you may say that the water block issue has nothing to do with this, it clearly does or else would you have noticed? No, you had a perfectly fine in great working condition GPU. FYI the cost of a non-ref and ref are virtually the same.

All companies who license a product clearly state "SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE" which means they can do what they want with it when they want with it and they don't have to let you know. This includes keeping the same Model number.

I'm all for looking out for other OCN members but when a member starts bashing a company over A SINGLE ERROR that he could have prevented as well (reminder: by not prematurely ordering a water block), well then I definitely don't want to be associated with someone like that.

You're talking like a couple hours of your time cost you so much bloody money! rolleyes.gif

We get it you don't like XFX! /thread
Edited by ajmidd12 - 4/15/11 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by TigerLord View Post
I do not know about the rest. Proper research is a must these days!
Do a search on me cross referenced with "revised" and read up.
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iv never really liked XFX, although my PSU is fantastic, this has convinced me to not buys from them again. great job, XFX
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That is the problem with XFX. Since this new revision si still a "reference PCB" they figured they didnt need to change their model number since the A means reference. They should of gone one step further and made sure all their retailers know to put in the discription that it is a revised PCB. Like I said in my other post above. MSI Tech dept didnt even know about this. I called Koolance and they told me they changed their refernece design WB's weeks ago in preparation for this AMD change over. So Koolance knew about this before some of the card makers? Seems a bit odd.

I am just going ot go with the MSI 6970 afterburner card since it is a ref card, and I am sure I can get a WB from Koolance or Frozen cpu. They will have to make WB's for them being this is the going to be the new standard PCB.

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Originally Posted by TigerLord View Post
That's the issue. All reference cards should be identical, because... well... they're the "reference".

Conventions on model nomenclature for the 69XX generation has been HD-697A-BLABLABLA, where an A appears after the "697" or some other letter, to indicate whether a card is reference or not.

So if you order a card labeled HD-697ACN-FC, the same model appears on the outside of the box, but when you open it, you find no AMD logo above the PCI-E lane, no BIOS switch, no backplate, and a significantly altered PCB... this is clearly not a reference PCB, so the model HD697ACNFC should have been modified. This is confusing indeed, and is why I posted about this.

Other vendors, such as PowerColor and MSI, sell the new PCB, but under different model numbers. I believe ASUS only sells reference cards.

I do not know about the rest. Proper research is a must these days!
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He had a bad experience with XFX and told us about it. He did not rage or troll or anything. He wrote a very accurate description of his problem and what happened and if you take issue with it then just stay out of this thread. I for one am happy that he told us about this and I hope that he has prevented someone else from getting into this situation.

Thanks TigerLord and just know you helped out the community and don't listen to a couple of people trolling you. Best thing to do is ignore a troll when you know that you have done nothing wrong.

I think XFX is in the wrong here. They made up the numbers on the box to coincide with the certain water block that he got and they did not end up matching up. That is a frustrating situation that could have been avoided if either XFX updated their outside serial numbers or TigerLord went with a company like Sapphire or Asus which wouldn't do something like that.
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At first I clicked this thinking XFX had released a passively cooled "silent" 6970. Well this is just as idiotic on their part.

XFX is so underhanded I still can't believe I bought an 8500 GT from them a while ago!
 
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That is the problem with XFX. Since this new revision si still a "reference PCB" they figured they didnt need to change their model number since the A means reference. They should of gone one step further and made sure all their retailers know to put in the discription that it is a revised PCB. Like I said in my other post above. MSI Tech dept didnt even know about this. I called Koolance and they told me they changed their refernece design WB's weeks ago in preparation for this AMD change over. So Koolance knew about this before some of the card makers? Seems a bit odd.

I am just going ot go with the MSI 6970 afterburner card since it is a ref card, and I am sure I can get a WB from Koolance or Frozen cpu. They will have to make WB's for them being this is the going to be the new standard PCB.
The MSI will most likely be a rev2 card fyi. Ek, Swiftech, etc have known about this revised pcb fwiw before Dec. I first poosted about it end of Jan.

http://www.overclock.net/amd-ati/928...l#post12206828
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Reference cards should be reference cards, simple as that. If the card changes, or even the reference design changes, there should be an easy way for the consumer to get the card they want. This means each card design should have a unique model number, after all, it's just a sticker on the box...
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They changed the design and your block didn't fit so you blame them?

I'm appalled at your attitude

You bought an XFX 6970 and you got a fully functional XFX 6970.

Water blocks are enjoyed by very very few people so why should XFX change there whole design to please a small crowd?

Loads of vendors change PCB's without telling anyone, Some changes are small while others are large.

And warn the community they changed the PCB design? Why should they? No one else does.

You're wrong to blame XFX. You bought a card and a block and you're lashing out.
Remind me to add you to my black list and to NEVER allow you to buy or sell anything to me--ever.

And maybe the word "B3 revision" might mean something to you.
FYI, changing mounting holes and REMOVING THE BIOS SWITCH is a BIG NO-NO. I hope you never, EVER, manufacture any hardware in your life--at least we'll know who NOT to buy from if that happens....
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Yes, your thread title and OP has a hostile tone to it the way I read it.
You and triple XFX 6950 are the only ones who did. I cannot control how your interpret my Interweb message board posts. I do apologize if it offended you in any shape or form, or hurt your ideal view of a company you probably liked.

The facts speak for themselves, and repeating it again a third time just for you seems redundant. If you prefer the troll hat, and the shots fit, be happy and on your merry way.

Everyone else could see the dilemma in selling a card labeled with a reference model number and shipping a non reference PCB, then blaming the retailer for the manufacturer's mistake. It's dishonest. It's product misrepresentation. Those are the facts.

Your name calling, badgering and aggressive stance do not change those facts.
    
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