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I've only ever bought a MSI product once. How are they customer service wise, say, compared to XFX or ASUS?
    
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Never liked XFX due to support issues... now for marketing/business issues.

I still think that Sapphire / Asus / MSI are the best bets.

Btw... are you 100% that the VRM design is a down grade compared to the rev 1 design? I've been told the other way around ...
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Not sure about XFX, but the newer non-reference Sapphire HD6970 cards (The one with blue pcb and black cooler) like the one I have do indeed have better VRM's and tend to Overclock quite better than my other reference card.

You can see them in my build log's link on my signature.

But after seeing so many problems with XFX in the last months, I will try to evade XFX at all costs.
    
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I've only ever bought a MSI product once. How are they customer service wise, say, compared to XFX or ASUS?
i havent ever used MSI's tech support. all of my stuff worked fine.

but when i got a bricked CHIV mobo, ASUS gave me a new one. quick and easy

XFX support was good to me. when i RMA'd my 4890 i got a new one. it took a while for them to figure out it was dead tho. the tech guys were kind, even when i raged (i really let them have it ) at them for sending me a bad batch 4890.

then they gave me a 5830. im happy.
my only complaint was that it took around 2 months for the whole deal to be finished.
    
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That, at least, is good to hear.

re MSI.

I wouldn't trust 'em - there's been a rash of mobos failing due to skimping on the VRMs. If they skimped on the mobos, who's to say they didn't skimp on their GPUs?
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This must be on their non-ref boards. I dont think they can diverge much with their ref board cards. Seem a lot of the issues people have with any of these companies is when they run the non-ref boards. That is when they can put whatever they want into the cards to save money.

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That, at least, is good to hear.

re MSI.

I wouldn't trust 'em - there's been a rash of mobos failing due to skimping on the VRMs. If they skimped on the mobos, who's to say they didn't skimp on their GPUs?
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This must be on their non-ref boards. I dont think they can diverge much with their ref board cards. Seem a lot of the issues people have with any of these companies is when they run the non-ref boards. That is when they can put whatever they want into the cards to save money.
Someone explained in the thread that vendors buy "kits" from AMD for reference boards, not sure if this applies to non-reference PCB. If AMD delivers reference PCB and they modify it afterwards, makes no sense to me, so I imagine non-reference PCB do not come from AMD at all.
    
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A majority of people also thought the world was flat at one point. You are making it seems like model numbers are just some pointless number that only the manufacturer looks at, when really, a model number IS a name. And since when is performance the only thing that matters about a video card? What about build quality? So maybe the performance at stock is the same, but it's compatibility isn't. What if for example, XFX's newest revision couldn't run on windows? It still has the same theoretical performance, but now its no longer compatible. This is a problem no?

Ignorant consumers like you who don't look into what they are buying and go simply based off the title are the EXACT reason companies pull stuff like this. Also no, that card probably does not perform like the stock catd (Worse build quality). So really, all of your points are invalid.

P.S. I have an XFX card, and I will probably buy them again. I think the blame should be placed on the vendor (They are ultimately the ones who gave him the wrong card), and it is THEIR job to go after XFX (who should have reported the revision change to them).
you have no proof that its a worse build quality
there was a screenshot posted in the previous pages show it Overclocks higher, but I went digging to find a review on this new PCB and found a Powercolor PCS+ review that uses this revision:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...6970_PCS_Plus/

So sorry I believe your point is invalid, as you have no proof its "cheaper" and in fact it performs better.

And we're in agreement, I said its not just XFX's fault and really is a number of people's fault.

Btw, just curious, what does the Bios switch actually do for a 6970? Its already "unlocked", does it allow you to relock the card back to a 6950?
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Sorry whats this thread about? Cant stop staring at Kcuestag's AVATAR!
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Note that a reference PCB is shiny while XFX's crap PCB's have a layer of matte solder mask on it.
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