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post #91 of 234
What is the issue with your XFX card? Mine seems to not perform well at all. I have the non ref design. I am going to get the MSI 6970 tomorrow I think. I would like a sapphire or PCS+ but Frys doesnt carry them.


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I completely agree with TigerLord. When any of us order item X and a similar but lesser quality parts shows up, we'd all be concerned or feel ripped off.

XFX needs to make this right or we vote with our $$ and don't buy their products. I have a brand new 6950, I'm strongly considering shipping back for an ASUS card instead.
post #92 of 234
What the hell is this bit about the card being NON-REFERENCE?

The card the OP got is THE REFERENCE CARD AMD ORIGINALLY MEANT FOR SALE!!!!!!!!

It is considered REFERENCE BY AMD, end all caps. It may not be the one the OP was expecting to get, but he made the mistake of buying the waterblock before he had video card in hand!

It's partially OP's mistake and on XFX for not detailing the change, though they're not required to do this, and as all companies reserve the right to change the card/specs at will.

Yall can hate on XFX etc, but what will you do when everyone else switches over to the DrMOS vrms too? Will you make these threads with Sapphire, MSI, Asus as well?
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Yall can hate on XFX etc, but what will you do when everyone else switches over to the DrMOS vrms too? Will you make these threads with Sapphire, MSI, Asus as well?
We've been over this dude. The PCB is not the original PCB design that was sold under model HD-697ACN-FC before. The PCB is completely different, and features were stripped away. Whether this is AMD or XFX's doing is irrelevant - other vendors such as MSI and PowerColor made the appropriate model number changes, which is proper notification to the customer.

If you take a card labeled HD-697ACN-FC purchased in November, and another card with the identical model number HD-697ACN-FC purchased months later, and the card are significantly different/altered, XFX failed their ethical, perhaps even legal obligations.

The original reference cards have always had the AMD logo above the PCI-E lane, a backplate and BIOS switch, did they not?
    
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We've been over this dude. The PCB is not the original PCB design that was sold under model HD-697ACN-FC before. The PCB is completely different, and features were stripped away. Whether this is AMD or XFX's doing is irrelevant - other vendors such as MSI and PowerColor made the appropriate model number changes, which is proper notification to the customer.

If you take a card labeled HD-697ACN-FC purchased in November, and another card with the identical model number HD-697ACN-FC purchased months later, and the card are significantly different/altered, XFX failed their ethical, perhaps even legal obligations.

/EndofThread
Car makers do this all the time. They change stuff on cars as THEY see fit. PC makers change stuff. Everybody "reserves" the right to make changes. It's their choice to keep numbers the same or not.

It's your job to make sure your watercooling gear fits what you want it to fit.

That's the bottom line, you got a reference card, the revised card by AMD.
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Ehhh, I personally have no issue with the revision. Fortunately, I don't order waterblocks until after I get whatever it is I want to put under water and check it out to see if it'll work. Fortunately, there's waterblocks for this.

It's XFX's fault as they didn't change the model with this revision, but it's also NCIX's fault for not updating their site that it's a revision - do they not check their cards or anything? Anyways, someone should contact them and inform them it's a revision of the card and that they should change their information on the site especially when it comes to third party cooling like waterblocks.
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That's the bottom line, you got a reference card, the revised card by AMD.
XFX have the right to control their design and engineering decisions, but significant alterations in design demand an alteration in model number. A VISIBLE alteration of the model number on the OUTSIDE of the packaging so you can know what you are getting before you open the box. Plain and simple.

I've said it 20 times already : the waterblock issue is 100% irrelevant to the main issue. It was mentioned because it is how I found out about the change. If you order a HD-697ACN-FC thinking you are getting a reference card (for me, reference means an AMD logo above the PCI-E lane, a bios switch, a backplate, etc.) and you only find out it is NOT reference upon opening the package, it's misrepresentation.
    
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It's XFX's fault as they didn't change the model with this revision, but it's also NCIX's fault for not updating their site that it's a revision - do they not check their cards or anything?
You expect retailers to open the boxes of every cards they receive to check the PCB under the coolers to make sure the PCB matches the model number printed on the outside of the box?
    
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XFX have the right to control their design and engineering decisions, but significant alterations in design demand an alteration in model number. A VISIBLE alteration of the model number on the OUTSIDE of the packaging so you can know what you are getting before you open the box. Plain and simple.

I've said it 20 times already : the waterblock issue is 100% irrelevant to the main issue. It was mentioned because it is how I found out about the change. If you order a HD-697ACN-FC thinking you are getting a reference card (for me, reference means an AMD logo above the PCI-E lane, a bios switch, a backplate, etc.) and you only find out it is NOT reference upon opening the package, it's misrepresentation.
It's only irrelevant because you made the mistake of ordering both before you could visually confirm the pcb.

You're sticking to this nebulous concept of honesty and forthcoming nature because you're still pissed off about it. If you weren't using a waterblock, none of this would MATTER!!!!
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It's only irrelevant because you made the mistake of ordering both before you could visually confirm the pcb.

You're sticking to this nebulous concept of honesty and forthcoming nature because you're still pissed off about it. If you weren't using a waterblock, none of this would MATTER!!!!
It wouldn't have mattered to me because the BIOS switch and backplate were not relevant in my decision to get a reference card. Does this make XFX's actions right? No it does not.

As others have said here, for some getting a real reference model with the backplate and BIOS switch would have been important to them. Hence why I am warning the enthusiast community to be cautious.

Isn't that the point of a community? Help and support each other?
    
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It wouldn't have mattered to me because the BIOS switch and backplate were not relevant in my decision to get a reference card. Does this make XFX's actions right? No it does not.

As others have said here, for some getting a real reference model with the backplate and BIOS switch would have been important to them. Hence why I am warning the enthusiast community to be cautious.

Isn't that the point of a community? Help and support each other?
You didn't make that kind of thread. You made a hate thread thereby getting all the xfx haters rolling.

Your title is damning too, hinting as some evil conspiracy by XFX, when it's been made plain by AMD that they were doing this.

"Warning: XFX's silent revision on the 6970"

Omg, XFX shenanigans!
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