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Poll Results: Stay with Water, or go back to Air?

Poll expired: Apr 14, 2012  
  • 67% (44)
    Stay with water!
  • 32% (21)
    Go back to air!
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post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by ShadowFox19 View Post
Since last night, I've looked at quite a few reviews for the Silver Arrow and Noctua D-14. If I do go back to air in the near future, I'm leaning toward the Noctua after watching the OC3D review. Now granted, he only ran into issues with the SA when OC'ing at extreme voltages, otherwise it beat the D-14 at the lower voltages, i.e. <1.45V.
That OC3D review has not been borne out by other reviews. In fact, a SA was able to handle a much higher OC.

I have a D14. I like it a lot. But the SA has been tested over and over again and found to be a bit better. And it has quieter fans. When I run my D14 on my sig rig I now use a TY-140 in it instead of a P14.

Two-layer heatsinks in general (I do not call the SA and D14 twin-tower heatsinks because the Megahalems is also a twin-tower heatsink, but it cools in a single layer): be sure to have a push fan in front. I was able to demonstrate to my own satisfaction (item 4 in my sig, chapter 2) that a push-center arrangement outperforms a center-pull arrangement. That was indirectly confirmed by the HardOCP SA review, where they used the SA with center and pull fans, comparing it to push-center and push-pull arrangements.

I won't have numbers until I can get back to fan-testing, which will have to wait until I am done updating my Firefox themes. But from my prior unpublished results I can tell you that by carefully choosing your fans you can get really good performance from twin-tower coolers, especially the SA and the D14.



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But after really thinking about it, and listening to other people opinions about my situation, it seems I'm more worried about data loss than I am the up keep of the loop. So, that's why I'm going to focus my attention on perfecting my backup process so I can have peace of mind.
Peace of mind. You will get that by pursuing both cooling system change and improving your backups.
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I know many people would not agree, but I say Air! I'm just so paranoid, my nerves wouldn't last a day even with professionally installed water loops.
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post #23 of 26
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I do, but I worry a lot when it comes to my photo collection. I suppose if I perfected my backup solution, I'd feel more at ease with the situation. I tried the online backup service Carbonite, but that took FOREVER to upload and after I had to reinstall Windows, I couldn't just reconnect it, I had to download everything I uploaded to restore it...stupid service. Enough of my rant, LOL!



Yeah, I spent like $3-$400 on fittings alone, so you'd think I'd feel kinda at ease, LOL! It freaks me out when I hear a bubble moving around in a block.
Stay with water, can you move the hard drives so then there are no pipes around it?
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Yes, the Silver Arrow falls beind the D-14 in reviews with the stock fan set up's. Give it time for peeps to mess with the Arrow. I'm about to invest in some money for some fan set up's to test, when doing my OC.

But if your going for higher OC with lots of VCORE, then the D-14 is probly the best bet. I chose the Silver Arrow so I can test 120x25mm and 120x38mm fans on it
You love yourself for going d-14. I have seen many posts about peeps going from water to high end air and loving it
Thanks for the info!

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That OC3D review has not been borne out by other reviews. In fact, a SA was able to handle a much higher OC.

I have a D14. I like it a lot. But the SA has been tested over and over again and found to be a bit better. And it has quieter fans. When I run my D14 on my sig rig I now use a TY-140 in it instead of a P14.

Two-layer heatsinks in general (I do not call the SA and D14 twin-tower heatsinks because the Megahalems is also a twin-tower heatsink, but it cools in a single layer): be sure to have a push fan in front. I was able to demonstrate to my own satisfaction (item 4 in my sig, chapter 2) that a push-center arrangement outperforms a center-pull arrangement. That was indirectly confirmed by the HardOCP SA review, where they used the SA with center and pull fans, comparing it to push-center and push-pull arrangements.

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Peace of mind. You will get that by pursuing both cooling system change and improving your backups.
Yeah, I'd never have my 24/7 OC at 1.45V anyway, LOL! The highest I like to be is 1.35V, but like to stay well below that voltage.

I really took the time to analyze my backup procedure yesterday, and outside of my house burning down, I'm confident I have a solid BU process in place. It consists of a few external HDD's (3), burning master copies of my photos as soon as I dump them on my computer after a shoot, and making use of my hotswap bay in my computer.
Unfortunately, my only HS bay is internal, which I think I will remedy with converting one of my 5.25 bays into a 3.5 backplane. That way, once I get around to it, I can dump everything onto a large HDD, put it in a HDD case and store it in my safety deposit box at the bank. Once the prices of 3TB drives come down, or 4TB drives come out, I can keep a rotation going with one drive at the bank and one drive in the computer. Once that is in place, the only thing I may have to worry about is nuclear holocaust.

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I know many people would not agree, but I say Air! I'm just so paranoid, my nerves wouldn't last a day even with professionally installed water loops.
Yeah, I miss the simplicity of air at times, but I love the ability to OC like crazy.

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Stay with water, can you move the hard drives so then there are no pipes around it?
They are, for the most part, isolated from the tubing. That makes me think of another question. Let's say my loop springs a leak, and it leaks onto my MB, RAM, gets into my PSU and fries them. As long as the drives stay dry, will they be okay?

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post #25 of 26
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They are, for the most part, isolated from the tubing. That makes me think of another question. Let's say my loop springs a leak, and it leaks onto my MB, RAM, gets into my PSU and fries them. As long as the drives stay dry, will they be okay?

Thanks everyone! +rep!
Only Problem I can think about is that it shorts your PSU which sends abnormal voltages which break your drive. I'm not sure about this though.
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post #26 of 26
I would stay on water. Backup externally. I dont have really any information on rig except Apps and games. All files are on my server. You could just an external.
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