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hopefully op wont mind me asking a couple of questions relating to this topic.

i plan on studying computer science in university and since tuition isn't cheap ill probably have to find a part time job.Getting an entry level programing job would be perfect for me.
Therefore i would like to know how a programing company works.

How is work assigned for workers?
Are there any specific roles like debugging, testing, writing the code?
Is it possible to get to create simple functions/classes while your still new?

I just think that i wouldn't get any serious assignments in fear of me slowing the whole project down, or worse getting the assignment and failing at it.
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hopefully op wont mind me asking a couple of questions relating to this topic.

i plan on studying computer science in university and since tuition isn't cheap ill probably have to find a part time job.Getting an entry level programing job would be perfect for me.
Therefore i would like to know how a programing company works.

How is work assigned for workers?
Are there any specific roles like debugging, testing, writing the code?
Is it possible to get to create simple functions/classes while your still new?

I just think that i wouldn't get any serious assignments in fear of me slowing the whole project down, or worse getting the assignment and failing at it.
Not sure if that is a question for the OP, as he is in the same position as you of looking for a programming job.
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Not sure if that is a question for the OP, as he is in the same position as you of looking for a programming job.
would like to hear from people who work that kind of job so that includes you
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hopefully op wont mind me asking a couple of questions relating to this topic.

i plan on studying computer science in university and since tuition isn't cheap ill probably have to find a part time job.Getting an entry level programing job would be perfect for me.
Therefore i would like to know how a programing company works.

How is work assigned for workers?
Are there any specific roles like debugging, testing, writing the code?
Is it possible to get to create simple functions/classes while your still new?

I just think that i wouldn't get any serious assignments in fear of me slowing the whole project down, or worse getting the assignment and failing at it.
Majority of time spend in software development is maintaining the code so most graduate will be just testing and fixing the codes.
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Yea I have a tri-monitor setup, 3 24" 1920x1200s connected to two computers, but I use Input Director so I can use one mouse and keyboard to move between the two computers seamlessly like they're one computer.

One of my co-workers has four monitors, and another has two monitors and a 42" TV as a third.

I generally have a lot of programs running (I use most of my 6GB of RAM), so having a lot of desktop space is nice. I can also run the program on one screen and debug it on another. Tri-monitors are a necessity.
I figure the desktop space is normal for the uses...I'd like to have a reason to have that kind of setup

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Originally Posted by newbie1911 View Post
hopefully op wont mind me asking a couple of questions relating to this topic.

i plan on studying computer science in university and since tuition isn't cheap ill probably have to find a part time job.Getting an entry level programing job would be perfect for me.
Therefore i would like to know how a programing company works.

How is work assigned for workers?
Are there any specific roles like debugging, testing, writing the code?
Is it possible to get to create simple functions/classes while your still new?

I just think that i wouldn't get any serious assignments in fear of me slowing the whole project down, or worse getting the assignment and failing at it.
lordikon is correct on that topic...I can't answer those questions since I'm not working as a programmer...yet . However, the current job position I'm applying for has to do with maintenance of current programs for the company as well as creating/solving new solutions.
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One thing to consider, there are easier degrees to get you into the profession than CS, most schools have an IS program... but this is a digression.

The best course:

First enroll in college, even if you can take only 1 course a semester... being enrolled (and able to call yourself a student) makes a world of difference when you try to get an entry level IT job.

If you are enrolled, then there are IT/programming jobs on campus available to students, might not pay more than making pizza, but its a start on the career, and makes it look like your on the 'established path' fwiw.

Internships with big companies usually aren't available unless you have finished a sophomore year, something to think about.


One thing you are going to run into, is that without a degree, the only other options are expensive certifications. For example getting an OCP sets you back about $8k, there are also some M$ or Redhat ones that you could probably get you in the door without a degree.
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...I guess I'll try to see if taking one class a semester will be okay. If all else fails...I can always try to pursue the 'Operations Support Coordinator' position .
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would like to hear from people who work that kind of job so that includes you
Getting a programming job without a degree depends a lot on the type of job itself. In the industry that I'm in I don't know a single programmer without a bachelor's degree of some sort. I honestly have never applied for a programming position before I got my degree, so I'm not sure what work they would have you do.

Programming is a pretty diverse field: Applications, web, games, database, low-level hardware interfaces, operating systems, compilers, etc. Some things like basic apps might not be as difficult. Maybe the company would have you writing code for them, but unless they've only hired entry-level programmers then they would probably have you doing something like writing testing code, or white box testing, or maybe writing internal tools they could use.
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I disagree in saying that all programmers are expected to be OOP programmers. It's not a bad idea to learn OOP, but the development world does not revolve around OOP.

As for the initial question, companies are always going to be looking for entry level programmers simply because they are much cheaper than experienced programmers. However, I haven't heard of many companies hiring people off the street based on personality alone in the hopes of making them into a programmer. If you've got no experience, you're going to need some sort of documented education or training.

So the community college idea is a good one. At the minimum, go for some sort of programming certificate at the community college. Even though college may not be your cup of tea, you might be able to go for something like an AAS degree which is only two years and stresses technical courses more than general ed courses. That may be more up your alley.

So to sum it up, to get a job in programming, I think you're either going to need some type of formal training, or wind up in a completely different job somewhere that allows you to somehow get into programming.

An example of the latter would be someone who learns scripting and programming to help them at a completely different job. For example, there are lots of people working in offices who have learned how to write SQL and create reports, or write small applications to help their department. A lot of them have become quite good at it, and after enough time, can call themselves a programmer.

It's far easier just to get the training to give the company an incentive to hire a beginner.
I would say it does. People these days want good, easy to maintain, easy to reuse code. Years of having people rewrite entire systems every few weeks, and have to write everything from the ground up every time they do something has made people look for this.

Object Orientation is a good model that teaches encapsulation and code reuse, which keeps your code lean, effective, easier to debug and maintain, easier to document, easier to work with, and means you can not rewrite the same stuff, just pull it and use it again. These are good practices and will show you are trying to be a programmer, not just a code monkey.

Not everything needs to be object orientated - but I would say it is the best way to teach anyone the best practices, and also a very useful method of working.
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Now one of the things I was doing with new hires at the time was getting them to work on bugs – it helped me knock down the backlog and gave them exposure to a variety of areas across the system. I also gave them plenty of time early on to learn the ropes and get up to speed and it would typically take a few days to get through the first few bugs and start having some ah-ha! moments with the codebase.
http://www.richard-banks.org/2009/08...t-develop.html
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