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I've been playing around a trying different OS's on my i3 powered test rig. I usually use Arch but tried a uh certain OS (which shares a semi-similar origin to BSD). I was really surprised that it seemed to match or out perform my Arch install in terms of just boot time and program launching etc. I'd heard it shared a similar backend with BSD, so I gave PC-BSD a try figuring it would be a good start and it might have some of the performance with a more Linux like hands on approach.

The install went smoothly and it recognized all the hardware and drivers right off but the performance is horrendous. I takes almost three times as long to boot to the desktop, even launching firefox is slow. I realize this is a more bloated BSD but still it's slower even the Kubuntu. Anyone else tried BSD is this normal?
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I've been playing around a trying different OS's on my i3 powered test rig. I usually use Arch but tried a uh certain OS (which shares a semi-similar origin to BSD). I was really surprised that it seemed to match or out perform my Arch install in terms of just boot time and program launching etc. I'd heard it shared a similar backed with BSD, so I gave PC-BSD a try figuring it would be a good start and it might have some of the performance with a more Linux like hands on approach.

The install went smoothly and it recognized all the hardware and drivers right off but the performance is horrendous. I takes almost three times as long to boot to the desktop, even launching firefox is slow. I realize this is a more bloated BSD but still it's slower even the Kubuntu. Anyone else tried BSD is this normal?
whew! i honestly thought this was gonna be a flamewar thread!

you have to remember that "flavor" of "bsd" you originally tried, only really uses some aspects of freebsd's userspace...yes it shares some roots with it, but its almost as different from bsd as linux is

i've never tried pc-bsd...when i gave bsd a shot, i went straight for the freebsd...i really liked it, it was as fast or faster than any of the linux's i've used...i can't really pinpoint why i stopped using it (i might again, its on my list), there are two linux flavors that remind me a lot of freebsd and those are slackware and gentoo (gentoo due to portage, and slackware due to its "vanilla" and its init process.)

i want to say pc-bsd is no longer maintained? i thought it was replaced by the dragonbsd or dragonfly (not sure what it is called) project...could be wrong tho. if you want a true bsd experience, i honestly would suggest freebsd or openbsd, maybe even netbsd if you are really feeling froggy
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whew! i honestly thought this was gonna be a flamewar thread!

you have to remember that "flavor" of "bsd" you originally tried, only really uses some aspects of freebsd's userspace...yes it shares some roots with it, but its almost as different from bsd as linux is

i've never tried pc-bsd...when i gave bsd a shot, i went straight for the freebsd...i really liked it, it was as fast or faster than any of the linux's i've used...i can't really pinpoint why i stopped using it (i might again, its on my list), there are two linux flavors that remind me a lot of freebsd and those are slackware and gentoo (gentoo due to portage, and slackware due to its "vanilla" and its init process.)

i want to say pc-bsd is no longer maintained? i thought it was replaced by the dragonbsd or dragonfly (not sure what it is called) project...could be wrong tho. if you want a true bsd experience, i honestly would suggest freebsd or openbsd, maybe even netbsd if you are really feeling froggy

Interesting. The version of PC-BSD came out in Febuary of this year so unless they died recently.

I figured there had to be some reason as I've heard good things about FreeBSD. guess I was expecting PC-BSD to be like the Ubuntu vs Debian as FreeBSD or something. I'll try freebsd it doesn't seem to drastically far from Linux that I can't figure it out.
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Interesting. The version of PC-BSD came out in Fed of this year so unless they died recently.

I figured there had to be some reason as I've heard good things about FreeBSD. guess I was expecting PC-BSD to be like the Ubuntu vs Debian or something I'll try freebsd.
might be the dragon bsd that died, and pc-bsd took its place...not really current on the bsd OS's, since there aren't "distros" in bsd, they don't really like people calling freebsd or netbsd or openbsd distro's of each other, as they are developed more or less independent of each other, and their kernels and userspace are developed together. unlike linux distro's, the kernel is developed independently of the userspace and then they are pieced together later on by the distro...(there is more to it, but without getting more technical)

i do believe one of pc-bsd goals is to become more "mainstream" friendly, but the attitude of the *bsd communities are radically different than their linux cousins. where linux communities often strive to gain and gather more and more market share, the *bsd's are quite content where they are, and could careless. it is why you wont often see "freebsd vs windows" type threads

but don't underestimate their fanatism either, you could walk away burned and dismembered by asking obvious questions, most who use the *bsd are very dedicated to it, don't let that dissuade you from trying it out, it is really a very nice OS. one thing to remember, bsd is not linux (even tho they have a linux layer similar to wine, so you can run packages that were compiled for linux in it, its one way to get flash working if you care about it at all )
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Yeah there's also dekstop-bsd which claims to be more like freebsd but with an easier install. I should probably just go with freebsd for a good real test-drive.

I'm still surprised OSX runs so quickly on this machine though, it's my first time using an apple os (other than my iphone) I was expecting it to be slow and bloated and absolutely hate it.
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Yeah there's also dekstop-bsd which claims to be more like freebsd but with an easier install. I should probably just go with freebsd for a good real test-drive.

I'm still surprised OSX runs so quickly on this machine though, it's my first time using an apple os (other than my iphone) I was expecting it to be slow and bloated.
honestly you shouldn't have a huge problem with freebsd since you've used the likes of arch before, similar concept.

i might even download it myself and toss it in a vbox
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What filesystem does PCBSD use by default? I know that when I used to tinker with OpenSolaris (not BSD, but a Unix), it used ZFS. ZFS is an awesome filesystem but it's also a RAM hog and doesn't perform as well as ext3/4 on some types of operations. I mention this because some BSD's I think now use ZFS.
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What filesystem does PCBSD use by default? I know that when I used to tinker with OpenSolaris (not BSD, but a Unix), it used ZFS. ZFS is an awesome filesystem but it's also a RAM hog and doesn't perform as well as ext3/4 on some types of operations. I mention this because some BSD's I think now use ZFS.
I used UFS+J.
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i thought the bsd's use ufs2 which is extremely slow compared to the likes of ext3/4, MacOsx i believe uses HFSpluse, which is leaps and bounds faster than UFS2...

i'm not even sure if *bsd can run on ext4?
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So I got it running yesterday. FreeBSD is definitely faster, feels about the same as Arch,though boot time is still kind bad, I have not yet looked into ways to speed up though.

Overall it's a bit more difficult then Arch, it feels more like Gentoo your right and like gentoo I'm not sure the value in work vs performance is really worth it. I'll keep working with it though always good to learn more things.
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