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an SSD won't improve framerates when more demanding titles hit the shelves is all i'm trying to say. Hell, i'm even looking to retire my phenom now.
Framerates isn't everything. Also, in games like Fallout 3 you get stuttering when loading huge out areas if using harddrives. With a fast SSD all of this is gone. And when loading Fallout 3 world, a harddrive uses 10 - 15 sec, while my Intel SSD's uses 1 - 2 secs...

Everything is alot faster. That's why I'm saying there is no point having a blazing fast system and still keep the biggest bottleneck, the harddrive.
    
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Hi everyone, my 1st thread in overclock.net

I've been with this rig for nearly 4 years and now the dilemma starts...

So far I've been playing games such as Bad Company 2, Crysis, WOW, COD - World at War, on maximum detail without low frame rate issues. Now, for the 1st time I had to run a game on medium graphics to keep my frames at 25-30 struggling sometimes down to 18 (Rift: Planes of Telara).That made me think that I am reaching a point where I should either spend a descent amount of money and get a brand new system or spend minimum and upgrade...

My rig:

Motherboard: Gigabyte X48T-DQ6
CPU: Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz (stock cooling)
RAM: Corsair DDR3 1333 4GB (2x 2GB dual channel)
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT DDR3 (Zalman)
Power Supply: Glacial Power 750W
HDD: Samsung 500 GB SATA 300
OS: Windows 7 64bit Professional

My plan: spend 1/3 of the investment of a brand new computer that I've been considering to put together ($2000), and buy the following upgrades:

Two AMD Radeon 6850 (crossfire) - ($200 ea)

Corsair Hydro Series H70 (for OC cooling) - ($160)

Corsair Performance 3 SSD HD 64Gb - ($190)


Now lets go to some facts:

I am not a frame rate benchmark maniac. I love playing my games with high quality and descent frame rate (min 35).

Rift will be the game I'll play most of my free time (not a lot), so I am not too worried about other games that may be heavier in graphics.

I am aware that the Z68 is coming possibly in May. I am not willing to be Intel's laboratory rat and have headackes trying the new technology without some sort of backing that it will be reliable. With that being said I am looking at another two years with my existing computer until I finally get my brand new system.

Now my questions:

1- What is your opinion regarding my plan? (any opinion is welcome!)
2- If I manage to OC my CPU @ 3.0GHz or higher, could it still become a bottle neck?

Cheers,

Allan
Upgrade that 9600 to a HD6950 and unlock it to a 6970, why go Xfire if you dont have to. And you dont NEED to upgrade your proc just buy a Cm 212+ and OC that proc to 4.0. This will save you SOOOO much money and will work out fine.
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an SSD won't improve framerates when more demanding titles hit the shelves is all i'm trying to say. Hell, i'm even looking to retire my phenom now.
Fair enough mate, I respect your opinion but I still believe that the loading speed is unmatchable. You're the first person that I see going against SSD.

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i nearly got a 570 but ended up getting a 6970, as i then have the choice to xFire it down the road!
Yeah DSF_X, I was a Radeon customer in the past but once I became Nvidia... I just couldn't go back... It's the same thing between AMD vs Intel... (I know you have an AMD system but in my opinion - and experience - Intel is superior).

If you check all the benchmarks and stability tests the Nvidia, either single or SLI, is always ahead. As long as you don't buy the high end stuff e.g GTX 590+, it's very affordable and the quality is top.

As I mentioned before, I considered Radeon because my mobo doesn't accept SLI. otherwise I would not even think about it.
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Upgrade that 9600 to a HD6950 and unlock it to a 6970, why go Xfire if you dont have to. And you dont NEED to upgrade your proc just buy a Cm 212+ and OC that proc to 4.0. This will save you SOOOO much money and will work out fine.
Way to go Smoblikat, if you read all replies we're getting close to that idea. Cm212+ seems to be great but I'll stick with the H70 as it seems to be a more appropriate solution (+silent).

I might get to 3.6Ghz if I am lucky but 4.0Ghz? Hahaha, I wont push it that far if I don't have to...
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Hey Kirby1, I already play GTAIV with my current setup, no problems at all... It just gets a little slow when it rains but 95% of the time it's very consistent.

Hi te0o, that is exactly what I proposed on my email, do you think the parts I've chosen are good enough?
You probably are not playing on the highest settings. I used to run on a Q6600 @3.6 and though GTA4 was playable, it was pretty laggy most of the time (on the highest settings), with me new 2500K GTA4 is very smooth on the same GPU as before.
    
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Way to go Smoblikat, if you read all replies we're getting close to that idea. Cm212+ seems to be great but I'll stick with the H70 as it seems to be a more appropriate solution (+silent).

I might get to 3.6Ghz if I am lucky but 4.0Ghz? Hahaha, I wont push it that far if I don't have to...
q6600 is still a very powerful processor and will be for sometime. all you need is a good tune and new video card(s)
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You probably are not playing on the highest settings. I used to run on a Q6600 @3.6 and though GTA4 was playable, it was pretty laggy most of the time (on the highest settings), with me new 2500K GTA4 is very smooth on the same GPU as before.
I run an old QX6700 - older then the Q6600 - and that manages GTAIV perfectly fine. So i've no idea why you had problems.

I still find the QX6700 to be more than sufficient in most games and don't intend to upgrade for a while yet.
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Now going to the OC side of things...

What is a descent and safe Vcore for a 3.6Ghz (maximum that I am willing to try) that you have used or still use?

Between 1.25 and 1.325?

PS: I am not currently trying as I have a stock crappy cooler, just getting my info before my new gear gets delivered
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Now going to the OC side of things...

What is a descent and safe Vcore for a 3.6Ghz (maximum that I am willing to try) that you have used or still use?

Between 1.25 and 1.325?

PS: I am not currently trying as I have a stock crappy cooler, just getting my info before my new gear gets delivered
You will probably need 1.4 volts + under full load for 3.6GHz. That is a no go with your stock cooler. 3GHz is about max with the stock cooler.

When you get your H70 you should be able to go all the way up to 1.5 volts when trying for 3.6GHz +. You have a very powerful mobo with a very strong CPU Voltage circuitry. So everything is in your favor.
    
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max save for 65nm quads is 1.5v depending your ability to overclock and the chips VID you should be able to get 3.6ghzOC with about.... 1.392v
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