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No one here.. understands.. entanglement.. and my brain.. is going to hemorrhage..

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First person to tell me if they're the same person they were a year ago wins an internet.
My mum still thinks I am the same little boy I was 25 years ago, does that count?
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i. I see you completely ignored my response on the matter and just rehashed an old argument from earlier in the thread.
ii. Lawl at biased opinion-making. Apparently you're more intelligent than every PhD holder on the subject since we still don't know what entails a consciousness.


iii. See No. 1
Why are you quoting me as if I made a response to you?

Anyways, while we obviously don't know everything consciousness entails we are fairly certain that it all takes place in the brain and there is nothing to suggest otherwise.
Edited by scyy - 4/17/11 at 3:45pm
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I swear a lot of people in this thread would benefit from reading the thread BEFORE replying to said thread ...

That being said, I fully agree with the few posters a page or few ago. Once you teleport, the you that you consciously control and can call yourself ceases to exist. A copy of you that is identical instead begins to exist.

If someone clones you 20 times, which means that each 20 copies of you are IDENTICAL in each and every way, mental and physical, that does not mean that all of them are you you, they are you according to everyone else, but according to you, they are clones. And each of the clones will think the same thing.

There is a "difference" between you and your clone, that is impossible to replicate, and that is the actual conscious "you". The reason some people in this thread are calling it a "soul" is not because of religious reasons or things of that nature, they are calling it a "soul" because we have no other word for it, that is the best way we can call it for now. Please try to respond to each reply with an open mind, and don't be so quick to judge that the person is religious just because he or she calls it a "soul".
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What comes out of the teleporter would to everyone else appear to be exactly you. The original you however would have been destroyed when you were dematerialized and what would come out while being an exact copy of you wouldn't be the same you. We aren't claiming there is some invisible consciousness or soul because we now know that to be pretty much absurd but it doesn't change the fact that while the person coming out is essentially 100% you it still is a copy and not the original so YOU would be dead despite the fact that there would still be a you walking around.
If that's how you want to word it that's fine. But even to yourself, if you were teleported, you wouldn't be able to tell there was any difference before and after if no one told you you were teleported. It's essentially the same thing as Star Trek.

I don't know why some people think that teleporting the brain would be any different than teleporting a finger if everything worked perfectly. That would still be "your" finger just as it would still be "your" brain. You're not going to develop a different personality or think any different afterwards.
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Hopefully **** companies like AT&T won't exist by the time this technology becomes consumer friendly. AT&T would still throttle the speed of light if it were up to them.
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We could teleport ourselves right out of the universe! lol


Well probably not, but it would eliminate the need for cars, etc.
Edited by cl04k3d - 4/17/11 at 4:44pm
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If you duplicated yourself 20x (which is what a teleporter would do, and just delete the original) you wouldn't control all 20 of yourself. It wouldn't be possible. You'd control the original, and the other 19 you would control themselves. They would be different people, but at the same time they would be the same person.
Oh the hijinks that would ensue.

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This has always been a philosophical argument. If the clone is completely and utterly the same (at sub-atomic level), then what is the difference? In fact, can you even prove the difference?
It seems clear to me that whether or not they difference can be proved, it is a different person. By stating that the original is destroyed, and the new one is a clone you are stating that they are different. It doesn't matter if a difference can be detected.
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There is a difference between scanning a subject, saving the information, and rebuilding a copy from scratch somewhere else while destroying the original, versus transforming the subject from matter into another state of energy (of which matter is one) to send to another location, and then transforming that energy back into matter. The first is perfect duplication plus unnecessary destruction, the second is more like a wormhole.

Instead of normal matter travelling from one point to another through special space (wormholes that is), why not just make the matter "special" by changing it into an easier to move state and then back again after the journey is complete?
Information is information. Transporting an object or transporting the data about the object. The teleportation of the information is the hard part. Reconstruction would be trivial at that point.

Teleporation is always the transfer of information.

The speed of light actually limits how fast information can travel.

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It seems clear to me that whether or not they difference can be proved, it is a different person. By stating that the original is destroyed, and the new one is a clone you are stating that they are different. It doesn't matter if a difference can be detected.
That is logically false. If A=B, then how can A != B?

If a person walks into a machine and two walk out, which is the clone?

Everything is just information. If the information is identical, then they are identical.
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/17/11 at 5:32pm
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