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Read this yesterday, its an awesome idea, and really cool to see it making progress.
    
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oh you, maplestory.
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All this philosophical thing is quite interesting, for those who didn't understand, the clone has its own consciousness with your experiences, thinks the exact same way as you, but you do not control him, he controls himself, so if you copy ctrl+c and paste, then delete the original, you won't have control over the other one
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Now aussies won't have an excuse when I pwn them
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If they did that with an animal or a person, how would they teleport the memories? Or do they just come along automatically?
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If they did that with an animal or a person, how would they teleport the memories?
What are memories? Just the way your synapses are arranged? They will be copied along with the rest of you.
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I hope them aussies don't think turning one lightbulb on, and another off, qualifies as teleportation of light.

Just sayin.
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What are memories? Just the way your synapses are arranged? They will be copied along with the rest of you.
you're not being copied, you are turned into energy (information) and then sent to a destination and then decompressed(?) Everyone saying they're making a copy of you, no it is not a copy, you are mearly turned into energy (information) and then transported.
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No matter how hard they try, living things can never be teleported and survive. It will be a copy of you, with your exact thoughts and looks. To everyone else it will seem the teleportation was successful, but YOU died. Your copy, will act like you until he teleports again or dies himself but you wouldn't be controlling him - he would be himself.
Reminds me of Altered Carbon, a novel by Richard K Morgan, the lead writer for Crysis 2. In the novel, humans in the future learn to store their memories and personalities digitally in tiny storage devices (called cortical stacks) implanted in the body. This lets them switch bodies by uploading the data to the stack in the new body. Certain religions forbid it, though, because they don't believe the soul can be transported. Good book.

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Just my way of explaining it, but the way I see this is that you die, FOREVER, when you enter the teleporter. Then someone entirely new steps out of the teleporter, and says, "WOW, that worked awesome!" There is some force in nature that binds "you" to your body. Until scientists know what that is, the connection between you and your body may be broken with this telporter. If it can be called a soul, how will your soul reattach to the body coming out of the teleporter, or will a new soul be created by the teleporter? And how would someone else ever know? The new body stepping out would have every memory you ever had, and a seamless existence, but your existence would have stopped when you entered the teleporter.
Well, think of the transporter chamber as basically a big camera, because it's going to record an image of you. It's well established that cameras steal souls; it seems to me that the trick would just be to make the anti-camera on the other end give the soul back.

Wait, what happens if you transport a ginger?

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I knew, just KNEW there would be ONE GUY that had to miss my point ENTIRELY. There's something that makes YOU, YOU. An impression on the fabric of spacetime, something. I used that wording because it demonstrated my point. Same thing with the movie. It demonstrated my point. If you dematerialize an object on earth then rematerialize it on mars, or wherever, its not the same entity. They are discreet beings. The one dematerialized is no longer a coherent entity, and has no bond to what is created elsewhere - it is simply a copy.
I look at it the other way: the works of Shakespeare have not lost their meaning just because they have been transposed from the parchment they were written on to a paperback edition, even if the spelling is updated and annotations are added. Everything that made the story unique and wonderful has been maintained, it's just the presentation that has changed. That's not to say that the original parchment isn't more valuable than the paperback edition, but that value is a trick of human psychology, not some intrinsic superiority of ink on parchment (the new hipster fad, perhaps?).

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so they sent a fax and destroyed the original. Very high tech there. Teleportation isn't supposed to be destroy one thing and recreate it somewhere else. tHat is called cut and paste. It is to actually move it from one place to another. Not destroy one thing and then recreate something new somewhere else. This method would limit the amount of times something could be sent as the copy is never as good as the original. You need to actually disassemble and reassemble the original to actually teleport something. Not take a picture destroy the original and make something similar on the other end. good try though.
You're making an awful lot of assumptions. An analogue reproduction isn't as good as the original, but it can certainly be so good that you can't detect the difference. A digital reproduction of a digital original is identical. If there were large-scale transcription errors, it wouldn't be approved for human use.

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I have to agree with a few others above us. We have no way to tell if its successful or if its a kill and copy type of thing.

Think about it, if we could clone ourselves exactly, and implant our memories and everything into it. It will be a 100% copy of us, but we will still exist, and have our own consciousness and such or "soul" or whatever you want to say it is. But if we killed the original, does that mean we start living from the clone? No. I think thats how others are thinking about it, sure it will be 100% physically you and have all your memories, but it aint you. They wouldn't know it, you wouldn't know it (cause you'd cease to exist, as from the moment you went to get teleported, you died, black, nothing, like going unconscious without dreaming forever, its over man, GAME OVER) But the copy coming out the other end will honest to god believe he is you, and why wouldn't he? He has your memories, your body, your everything... Still doesn't mean its you. Simple as that. I don't care how far the tech comes, I won't step into anything like that.
My consciousness basically dies every time I go to sleep. When I wake up, it reassembles itself from my memories and the way my brain is wired. I can't prove that I'm the same person psychologically that I was yesterday. What's the difference? When I wake up tomorrow, someone with the same memories and body will go on OCN and call himself MrDeodorant. He's probably a nice guy, but I can't say that for sure, because I'm not sure he's me.
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