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Mech, whats your budget and plans for future upgrades, as in, how often do you want to have to upgrade and do you stay up to date in games and need some extra horsepower to stay futureproof.

It's better to find the right choice for you in the long term, rather than just arbitrarily picking between 2 cards without reason. Give us a little more detail and maybe we can find some better alternatives for you, up or down.
Yeah, I was thinking the 570, but looking at how little performance you get for paying $100 more I'm not sure it's worth it. I don't necessarily need it "right now".

I plan to sell both 4850s. I hope to make at least $120 from both of those and I say through another $100 on that to make my budget with possibly a little play room.

I would like an upgrade even if just a little. I got the 4850s after Christmas last year, but because of my issue I just gave up trying to find a fix.

I'm no nvidia or ATI fanboy because I own both cards, but i just prefer nvidia more. I looking to go to Nvidia as I want PhysX and possibly 3d, but that will be down the road and I might have a new card by then anyway.

I play at 1600 x 1200 and would like to play Crysis 2 at highest settings; which I think the 560 can at my resolution.

I don't mind used as long as it's from a trusted seller and I would rather it work with the psu I have now so I don't have to upgrade now.

Thanks for the help!
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Get a 460 1GB, mine overclocks higher than alot of people I see with 560s, or wait till Kepler.
    
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Yeah, I was thinking the 570, but looking at how little performance you get for paying $100 more I'm not sure it's worth it. I don't necessarily need it "right now".

I plan to sell both 4850s. I hope to make at least $120 from both of those and I say through another $100 on that to make my budget with possibly a little play room.

I'm no nvidia or ATI fanboy because I own both cards, but i just prefer nvidia more. I looking to go to Nvidia as I want PhysX and possibly 3d, but that will be down the road and I might have a new card by then anyway.
Ok I have 2 suggestions for you but it would be dependent on your NEED for PhysX.
If you NEED it the 560 is a great value.
If you don't and your in the $200-$220 range its hard not to suggest the 6950 as it unlocks to 6970 and thus, you get a $340 card for about $100 cheaper...
So it really comes down to PhysX I think. It's the only reason to go nVidia at this price point IMO.

Although you did mention 3D, but that requires a 3D monitor as well (not cheap), and I'm not sure how the 560 will do 3D at high resolutions, I know little about 3D at the moment.

But yea, if you don't need 3D or PhysX and you doubt you will during this GPU phase, I'd jump on the 6950, its too good to pass up.
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The 570 power phase issue is real, but it's also exaggerated. I haven't had a problem with mine, but then again, I'm keeping the voltage at a safe level. I'm still able to crank out 900/1800/2000, which is more than enough for 1920x1080 resolution. My voltage is safe, my temps are great, and I'm having a blast with this card.

With that said, I don't really feel that the 570 is worth $100 more than the 560. I haven't tried a 560 myself (bought my card before 560's were released), but they seem to do really well in benchmark and real-world comparisons. If I knew then what the 560 was capable of, and had heard more about the weak power system on the 570, I probably would have gone with a 560 and invested the extra cash in a 6 core CPU. Gaming performance would be about the same either way.
 
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Ok I have 2 suggestions for you but it would be dependent on your NEED for PhysX.
If you NEED it the 560 is a great value.
If you don't and your in the $200-$220 range its hard not to suggest the 6950 as it unlocks to 6970 and thus, you get a $340 card for about $100 cheaper...
So it really comes down to PhysX I think. It's the only reason to go nVidia at this price point IMO.

Although you did mention 3D, but that requires a 3D monitor as well (not cheap), and I'm not sure how the 560 will do 3D at high resolutions, I know little about 3D at the moment.

But yea, if you don't need 3D or PhysX and you doubt you will during this GPU phase, I'd jump on the 6950, its too good to pass up.
3D Monitors aren't much, you only need to have a 120Hz refresh rate and then it can do 3D.
    
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The 570 power phase issue is real, but it's also exaggerated. I haven't had a problem with mine, but then again, I'm keeping the voltage at a safe level. I'm still able to crank out 900/1800/2000, which is more than enough for 1920x1080 resolution. My voltage is safe, my temps are great, and I'm having a blast with this card.

With that said, I don't really feel that the 570 is worth $100 more than the 560. I haven't tried a 560 myself (bought my card before 560's were released), but they seem to do really well in benchmark and real-world comparisons. If I knew then what the 560 was capable of, and had heard more about the weak power system on the 570, I probably would have gone with a 560 and invested the extra cash in a 6 core CPU. Gaming performance would be about the same either way.
This is a really good post..thank you for that.

If you already have a 570, fine, make the best of it. Point is, now that we know the problems with the design of the card, there is no reason to recommend it anymore..just because A B and C got one that didn't blow up doesn't mean there aren't considerably better and safer options. Even if you get a 570 with the revised power phase options, the price/performance is still severely lower than the 560 unless you need the extra VRAM.

People recommending a 570 for someone running 1600x1200 are..something.

He doesn't even need a 560 but I respect OP enough to at least stay on topic..he wants to know about 560 vs 570..560 is a considerably better value and better design.


Like I said in one of my earlier posts, neither the 560 nor the 570 will run a 3D monitor at 120 hz reliably so you can plan for now, not later. Make a small investment with some resale value (560) and upgrade to a newer GPU platform (Kepler, for example) later on if you go to a 3D monitor.
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3D Monitors aren't much, you only need to have a 120Hz refresh rate and then it can do 3D.
Yes I know but companies are taking advantage of the fad and increasing the price a little more than it should. It still costs significantly more to get a 120hz monitor over a same size 60hz by about 30-50% which isn't justified IMO. But then again, I haven't looked in a whole and could be talking out my arse... Will go check...
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This is a really good post..thank you for that.

If you already have a 570, fine, make the best of it. Point is, now that we know the problems with the design of the card, there is no reason to recommend it anymore..just because A B and C got one that didn't blow up doesn't mean there aren't considerably better and safer options.

People recommending a 570 for someone running 1600x1200 are..something.

He doesn't even need a 560 but I respect OP enough to at least stay on topic..he wants to know about 560 vs 570..560 is a considerably better value and better design.


Like I said in one of my earlier posts, neither the 560 nor the 570 will run a 3D monitor at 120 hz reliably so you can plan for now, not later. Make a small investment with some resale value (560) and upgrade to a newer GPU platform (Kepler, for example) later on if you go to a 3D monitor.
Mine runs 3D just fine on my stepdads monitor, which is only 120Hz, and I'm using a 460.
    
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Don't buy a 570 unless it has an altered power phase system..DirectCu, Twin Frozr III, Phantom..

You won't be able to run a 3d (120 hz) monitor on either of those cards with decent game settings so, plan for what you have right now (1600x1200) and take the 560.
The power problem doesn't affect everybody, and if it does blow then you RMA. I personally haven't had a problem with the VRM thing.

I say get the 570 if you can. You have to OC the 560 to the max to get stock 570 settings, and each mhz OC on the 570 pays out more with more cores. Basically an OC 570 beats an OC 560 every time.
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