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Hi everyone,

I am beginning some preliminary research on a build that will be completed over the next few months. Two particular cases have caught my eye; the Corsair 650D and the Silverstone FTO2. I am back and forth between these 2 cases and would appreciate any suggestions on which to purchase. Both are gorgeous cases and price is not an issue.

Potential Build Parts:
Corsair 650D or Silverstone FTO2
Corsair AX750
Asus Sabertooth P67
Intel 2600K
Corsair H50 (Open for suggestions, I understand the WC limitations of the FTO2)
MSI GTX 460 Hawk (from previous build, will upgrade later)

Any major positives and negatives of the 2 cases? Would love some input!

Thanks
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post #2 of 21
650D is towards more watercooling your whole system. i suggest 600T or FT02 or maybe HAFX or have a look in the Lian-LI cases.
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post #3 of 21
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Thanks Frank,

That's one thing I like about the 650D, the flexibility of watercooling. I have narrowed it down to the 2 listed above though.

Which one has the better cable management space? Also, does the 90 degree design of the FTO2 have any limitations? I'm worried about installing an H50 on the top exhaust...especially with a Sabertooth board because of the thermal armor protrusion above the I/O shield.
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post #4 of 21
First off, welcome to OCN as I see this is your very first post!

Back to topic:
One 'major' negative of the FT02 is that it is only good to accommodate graphics cards with traditional (usually reference) cooling design (ie with a front centrifugal fan intake + exhaust through rear slot out of the case).

In other words, it is not well designed to accommodate graphics cards with exhaust dumped inside the case because the air current coming up from the bottom fans will run against the downward exhaust coming out of the card's front. See pic below.

3 non-desirable adverse effects:-
1) hot exhausted air being pushed right back into the card(s)
2) hot exhausted air makes it way around the card(s) but is sucked back by intake fan(s) of card(s) when the air is going up
3) hot exhausted air makes it way around the card(s) and is exhausted through via the rad/fan of your H50

So, I would choose, among the 2 cases listed, the Corsair 650D which accommodates your present MSI GTX460 Hawk (with internal heat exhaust) and it will also make life easier for a wider selection of any future graphics card, in the sense of thermal management.

However, if I can choose a case other than the 2 above, I would not choose the 650D. IMHO, the best way to handle graphics card(s) with internal heat exhaust is to use a 'Top Exhaust' approach, described in my post #12 here:http://www.overclock.net/computer-ca...ii-best-2.html

Basically, you need a case with side panel fan(s) to supply fresh air to the card(s) and the exhaust hot air is extracted to the top of case. For the Corsair 650D, the card(s) will have to reply on the front case fan to supply air. If this case fan is strong, it will be good for the card's intake fan but bad for the exhaust hot air (for the above 3 non desirable effects). If the case fan is weak, it will be vice versa (ie good for the exhaust hot air but bad for the intake fan).

An alternative to getting a case with side panel fans is to have, at least, a fan in the case bottom, blowing upward to supply fresh air to the intake fan of the card. But this is only good for a single card. If you have 2 graphics card, this is not nearly as good as having side panel fans.

Edited by windfire - 4/17/11 at 8:45pm
post #5 of 21
I have opted with 650D and never looked back. I have a XSPC rasa kit RX240(yes it CAN fit if you mount with the honeycomb grills) installed. The FT02 is a good case but there are limitations that go with its innovative design. You will be limited with watercooling unless you do some modding and the PCI cables that come out such as the monitor cables may be limited with some adapters etc.

In the end, it's really up to you. You have to like the case you are getting so choose whichever case you think you will regret less with. 650D is cheaper as well.
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post #6 of 21
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Wow, thanks for taking the time to write that up windfire! You make a good point with the MSI Hawk heat flow. If the 650D can at least provide adequate cooling to the GPU, then I'll be perfectly happy. I'll take a look at your suggested provisions. A good performing case with a simple and elegant style is all I need, which is the main reason I've narrowed it down to these 2 cases.

rugox, thanks for suggestion. I'm stuck because I am partial to both designs. However, I'm starting to lean to the 650D, it's a classic design that is indeed cheaper.
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Corsair 650D
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i recently picked up the 650D and would really recommend it, very nice case, although the cable management (as some threads have said on here) can be a nightmare, so zip ties will be your fiend Personally i really liked the look of the 650D (its the little brother of my 800D ) and it really feels solid compared to other companies ive used. But with your hawk i would believe the 650d would also allow better cooling since the FT02 works better with rear exhaust cards
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Quote:
Back to topic:
One 'major' negative of the FT02 is that it is only good to accommodate graphics cards with traditional (usually reference) cooling design (ie with a front centrifugal fan intake + exhaust through rear slot out of the case).
Sorry, but this point is pretty unfounded. I had an FT02 and ran a Powercolor PCS+ 5850 and a non-reference XFX 5870. There were zero temperature issues with those cards and they still ran cooler than the reference designed cards I had (Sapphire 5850, BBATI 5850, and Sapphire 5870).

The FT02 has great cable management, provided you buy a pack of $2.50 cable clamps (which is nothing in the grand scheme of things). There are lots of mounting holes in the back where you can screw in the clamps so you can more effectively and cleanly route your cables.

The 180mm fans in the FT02 create enough positive pressure that the top 120mm fan isn't really even needed. Back when I had an FT02 I tried a bunch of different fans in the top spot (Scythe GT1450, GT1850, Stock golf ball fan, Scythe S-Flex 1600rpm, San Ace H1011 at 1600rpm and 2400rpm). There was no significant difference between component temperatures between any of these fans. In addition, I also placed a 120mm fan over the GPU area to see if I could suck the hot air away from there any more effectively and it made absolutely zero difference in GPU temperatures.

The main issue I had with the FT02 was the lack of water cooling provisions. The FT02 takes some creativity to pack a WC system in there without making it look crowded. I was able to put 360mm worth or radiator in there without removing the 180mm fans and using a long graphics card, but it definitely didn't look as clean as I would've liked.
Edited by farkle0079 - 4/18/11 at 1:34pm
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post #10 of 21
if you use a FT02 or RV02 you really wouldn't look to most other cases.
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