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Oh my it's getting tougher and tougher. Has anyone used an H50 or H70 with the Asus sabertooth in the FTO2? Once again I'm worried about clearance issues with the thermal armor above the I/O connections.

It also looks like the backplate opening on FTO2 doesn't match most new motherboards...
Edited by Aerotropolis - 4/18/11 at 2:31pm
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Has anyone used an H50 or H70 with the Asus sabertooth in the FTO2? Once again I'm worried about clearance issues with the thermal armor above the I/O connections.

You could always put the radiator on top of the 180mm fans using the provided brackets.
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post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Aerotropolis;13178633 
Oh my it's getting tougher and tougher. Has anyone used an H50 or H70 with the Asus sabertooth in the FTO2? Once again I'm worried about clearance issues with the thermal armor above the I/O connections.

It also looks like the backplate opening on FTO2 doesn't match most new motherboards...

Here's a link to a person who mounted the corsair H50 watercooler up top: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1429251&page=24

Not sure if this will help you and is where you want to mount it but that person was able to mount it.
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post #14 of 21
that's how i had my H50 before i switched coolers.

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post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by farkle0079;13177724 
Sorry, but this point is pretty unfounded. I had an FT02 and ran a Powercolor PCS+ 5850 and a non-reference XFX 5870. There were zero temperature issues with those cards and they still ran cooler than the reference designed cards I had (Sapphire 5850, BBATI 5850, and Sapphire 5870).

In addition, I also placed a 120mm fan over the GPU area to see if I could suck the hot air away from there any more effectively and it made absolutely zero difference in GPU temperatures.

Actually it is well founded on simple principles of physics: When a card is designed to exhaust its heat out in a direction(s), I would suggest letting the air coming out without hindrance. Any obstruction in its air path (from a milder case of a spaghetti of cables hanging right outside of the exhaust slot to a more severe case of forcing the hot exhaust air back into the card) will certainly bring a less-than-optimal thermal performance.wink.gif

This reduction of cooling efficiency might not bring an immediate short term effect but at least one thing is certain, ie it is cooling non-optimally.

Anyone who does not have the FT02 but wishes to study this effect of 'push-heat-in' can simply employ a fan and point it facing the rear exhaust slot of a graphics card and will see at no time how the temperature is affected adversely. The degree of severity varies according to the specific card and the specific fan. (I suppose if the fan is a ultra fast spinning Delta, it will even bring the temperature down!). BSOD is unlikely but the temperature will rise a bit.
Simply put, it is not 'no BSOD vs BSOD' bur rather it is 'Optimal vs Non-optimal'.

Contrarily, if the fan is reversed in direction and is used to 'pull-heat-out' of the rear exhaust of a graphics card, you will likely see some mild cooling benefit. It is interesting that your case is not so with a 120mm fan. In my own situation, when I use a 'pull-heat-out' fan, the temp drops 1 to 1.5C. If the fan is reversed to 'push-heat-in', the temp rises 1 to 1.5C.
No big temp issue and no BSOD but the cooling efficiency is just not optimal.wink.gif
(see pic below for my setup with an 140mm low spinning fan)
Edited by windfire - 4/18/11 at 7:38pm
post #16 of 21
depends on where you want to place the computer on the desk.

the window placement dictates that.
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post #17 of 21
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Thank you all for the input. I went ahead and pulled the trigger for the 650D. Expecting a nice brown box from Amazon in a couple of weeks.
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post #18 of 21
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Actually it is well founded on simple principles of physics: When a card is designed to exhaust its heat out in a direction(s), I would suggest letting the air coming out without hindrance. Any obstruction in its air path (from a milder case of a spaghetti of cables hanging right outside of the exhaust slot to a more severe case of forcing the hot exhaust air back into the card) will certainly bring a less-than-optimal thermal performance.

This reduction of cooling efficiency might not bring an immediate short term effect but at least one thing is certain, ie it is cooling non-optimally.

There's a difference between claiming it's "less than optimal" and "only good to accomodate traditional designs." My testing has shown that while theoretically "less than optimal" the amount of airflow provided by the 180mm fans below has no adverse effects on the GPU temperatures and creates enough positive pressure that even adding a 120mm fan on top of the GPU section of the case does not provide any tangible benefit. Thus, while theoretically "less than optimal" the case will accomodate center intake graphics cards just fine.

If you'd like to test this you're more than welcome to. Put a high output San Ace/Delta/NMB-MAT fan in front of your GPU and a standard 120mm fan near the rear of your GPU. You'll probably see that so much air is being forced through that the second fan is useless.
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post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by FLCLimax;13177791 
if you use a FT02 or RV02 you really wouldn't look to most other cases.

Exactly!
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maybe this will help you on your decision

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more here

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4809595&postcount=4262

I'm thinking of switching my Fractal r3 for this...not sure if I can wait any longer for Murdermod
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