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2011 BOINC Pentathlon - Project Proposal - GPU

Poll Results: Project Proposal - GPU

Poll expired: Apr 24, 2011 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 10% of voters (3)
    Collatz Conjecture
  • 10% of voters (3)
    DNETC@Home
  • 6% of voters (2)
    Einstein@Home
  • 10% of voters (3)
    GPUGrid
  • 24% of voters (7)
    Milkyway@Home
  • 17% of voters (5)
    Primegrid
  • 20% of voters (6)
    Seti@Home
29 Total Votes  
post #1 of 25
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This thread is for discussion on the project proposal for GPUs.

Vote for the projects that you would like to suggest for the 2011 BOINC Pentathlon via the attached poll.

The top choice will be chosen as Overclock.net's proposed discipline for GPU.
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You know, there are what I was told are called "Point Whores" and PrimeGrid attracts them due to it's unusually high point allowance. I found one prime already and the number is so large that I couldn't pronounce it in a lifetime. I think the "point thing" is an unfair bias myself for a task that has not much application in real life for the majority of people who are not pure mathematicians.

Seems to me, Seti and Einstein are looking for things we can actually observe and the other cancer fighting and such things will benefit more folks sooner than finding a prime number that is over a trillion digits long.

Another "fact" is that the PrimeGrid GPU applications really stone the display update on many computers because it is optimized "too well". With NO CPU tasks going, running PG on many GPU's hogs the display resources and makes your computer a click-wait 1 second-update super slow thing.

I think PrimeGrid should be removed since it is designed for points on purpose... Let's do more productive things that can benefit more folks.


JMHO

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post #3 of 25
Yes, definitely this. That's why I don't run PrimeGrid and have no plans on doing so. I prefer running GPUGrid instead, although MilkyWay@home is a nice alternative.
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post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by Tex1954 View Post
I think PrimeGrid should be removed since it is designed for points on purpose... Let's do more productive things that can benefit more folks
I am not in charge of choosing what projects are eligible and what projects are not. The organizers of the BOINC Pentathlon are. I do understand and agree with the part about the credit whoring.
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post #5 of 25
I like Milkyway@Home sence it does good on both nv and ati and dnetc is no more so it can be removed.
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post #6 of 25
Milkyway FTW. Like Bal3Wolf said, NV and ATI can work on it.
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That is another major GREAT point Bal2Wolf and GoodToBeKing, tasks that run on both major types of GPU's!!! I think we should automatically eliminate those tasks that will not run on both types... And check out this PG points whore crap from my stats below... unreal points differences!

(I no longer run PrimeGrid GPU tasks due to display hogging, only CPU tasks and maybe stop that too!!! Just changed preferences and let the old stuff finish up)

CUDA TASKS: (RUN time, CPU time, points in red)
Proth Prime Search (Sieve) v1.38 (cuda23)
Completed and validated 1,219.13 55.05 4,523.00
Completed and validated 1,221.98 55.99 4,523.00


CPU TASKS:
321 Prime Search (Sieve) v1.13
Completed and validated 5,884.78 4,918.34 164.43

PPS LLR v6.09
Completed and validated 471.76 456.49 10.05
Completed and validated 468.74 449.61 13.91

Sophie Germain Prime Search
Completed and validated 468.74 449.61 13.91
Edited by Tex1954 - 4/19/11 at 12:45am
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post #8 of 25
I'm new here but i like seti@home, milkyway@home and einstein@home and between them they keep the GPUs cranken
although seti@home is a bit of a GPU hog it times

I agree with tex1954, its no good just going for points, thats not what it's about.
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post #9 of 25
Quote:
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I agree with tex1954, its no good just going for points, thats not what it's about.
I understand why people choose certain projects in their daily crunching, but if we enter a contest where the highest points wins, then it kind of IS about points. If you're not entering a contest to win, then why enter a contest? Why not just stick with what you're comfortable with on a daily basis. Personally, I say if we are going to enter we should pick what's best for us as a team to be competitive.

And deegon, I'm not singling you out, just using your quote.
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post #10 of 25
There is more to this than points. It's no different that having an open race at the drag strip and some folks have VW bugs and some have top fuel cars. If you want to eliminate 95% of the participants, then allow the top fuel cars to run without handicap and soon you won't have anyone left. If you want to make it more fair, run bracket racing... but by and large, we are supposed to have fun first and worry about points less.

So, by some "point whore" logic, all of OCN should only run PrimeGrid tasks. Well, that's fine with me, they'll find me on a new team in that case because finding terabyte long prime numbers just isn't as important to me as SETI, Einstein, Cancer/Folding tasks that actually have more than a pure math benefit.

As a TEAM, we should allow folks to run pretty much what they want, but for sure in "friendly" contests, we need some rules to balance the playing field... like win a prize, you can't win any more for a year or something. We all can't have i7-990's with quad GTX 590's or 6990's can we? I seen this kind of stuff tear teams apart for 50 years... it never changes unless the people running it put people first instead of objects. I hope this is a friendly "people" place and not a point whore machine...

The only thing point whoring does is move one up in GLOBAL BOINC status... who gives a damn about that? No way OCN will ever get close to some monster university teams and such ever!

But amongst ourselves, we can have fun! We can set goals! And PrimeGrid is pretty much useless to me for "FUN" stuff since it can only run well on one of my computers and hogs the hell out of it doing so. PG really messed up in one sense that it unbalanced the entire BOINC points standing process... and what happens when some new task starts giving 10 megapoints per CPU/Second? What PG did to BOINC is exactly the thing to do to attract a lot of GPU power because so many folks are so narrow minded and they pizz me off because of it.

Ideally, BOINC central should be awarding points based on a system of time/CPU/GPU units that would level the playing field... but you know what? They will never do that because it isn't important to the research long term and rightly so. BOINC is a tool for researchers to use and we cooperate by loaning equipment time and paying the electric bill. It's purely voluntary.

Points really has to remain local to tasks because folks like PG have made global total point standings meaningless; so screw them with a hot flare where the sun don't shine.

JMHO

PS: Added Milkyway to GPU task list and completely turned off PG days ago.
Edited by Tex1954 - 4/21/11 at 5:38pm
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