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I've ordered from both with similar costs. I will say though that DHL Express w/tracking for just the block from EK was $18. Shipped out today, will arrive to my door in Virginia Monday.

I have no idea how that's possible. What block are you talking about specifically? Can't be the TITAN X as it doesn't release till the 16th. But i checked yesterday and today and the DHL Express with tracking says estimated delivery won't be till the 23rd, the only way to get it to arrive sooner is to use the UPS URGENT method which costs $44 for one block or $50 for two; and arrives on next friday the 19th.


Unfortunately i also can't afford to get both blocks right now, so i either have to wait for a week or so to get both meaning they likely won't arrive till end of month; or get one now and one later, suffering the double shipping cost.
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I have no idea how that's possible. What block are you talking about specifically? Can't be the TITAN X as it doesn't release till the 16th. But i checked yesterday and today and the DHL Express with tracking says it won't get here till the 23rd, the only way to get it to arrive sooner is to use the UPS URGENT method which costs $44 for one block or $50 for two; and arrives on next friday the 19th.

Yes. Titan X Pascal waterblock. A lot of pre-orders shipped today. Those dates they show on the site are simply estimates, most likely due to changes globally in arrival times and not wanting to be locked into anything right away. In reality, much shorter shipping time occurs. $18.83 to be 100% accurate.
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With hard tubing, . . . absolutely

With soft tubing, . . . not so much

As the coolant expands, even the relatively small amount that it does, it has to go somewhere, which means it's going to increase the internal volume of the loop somehow.

If it can compress some air somewhere, or otherwise increase the internal volume, no problem . . .

With soft tube, which gets more pliable as it gets warm, it can expand some, mitigating somewhat, the need for airspace

With hard line, if there's no airspace, then expanding coolant is going to push the tubing out of a fitting(s) somewhere.


In the very early days of hard line, when all you could find was 1/2", and the only fittings were C47's for 12mm crystal links, it was common to sand down the diameter of the tube to fit in the C47's

That usually was a bit iffy about how round it was and how much grip the o rings could manage . . .

If you didn't have some airspace, or some soft tube in a hidden area, something usually got sideways sooner or later.


Darlene

Thanks as always for the sage information.

Well there we go. My apologies to @Mega Man I've always used large amounts of soft tubing for all the hidden tubing, hence why I had no issues with fully filling my loop.

So in conclusion: Soft tubing, fill away, rigid tubing, leave some play room and a pressure release valve (Gay-Lussac's Law still applies).
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While it usually does not matter. Blanket statements like that are very poor choices.

My loops ( multiple ) take 2-4 gal and I know of people (and eventually i want to do one ) that do geothermal pcs with alot more water then that.

Either way I would rather have the extra room then not
none at all again above the inlet level preferred (or a big enough res that it does not matter )

It's not a blanket statement. It's fundamental physics... gas increases in volume and pressure with temp as well, so that little bit of air you are leaving in the top of the reservoir, yeah, it's expanding and increasing the pressure as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-Lussac%27s_law

As a side note, if you are seeing even a 20 C delta in your coolant with 2 to 4 gallons you are doing it wrong.

P.S. you aren't the only person who has done massive multi-gallon loops:

edited due to being un-constructive and rude. Let me see if I can get a hold of Darlene, she's the expert on large loops around here on OCN, that should solve the debate.

First who said I had 20deg Deltas I have 2deg Deltas with at worst 3 degree delta. Unless I shut off my fans. Which I may do ( and others as well )to minimize noise

With that settled.who said I was the only one. Again. I never said that.

I feel and could be completely wrong that you had the idea I ment it would end in complete catastrophic disaster.
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I'd bet that getting the block seated properly while you were turning it, is the real reason it's so much better now.

Block direction is usually responsible for no more than a couple degrees or so.

Anyway, as long as it's working at predictable temps is what counts in the end.

I say this mostly so that newbs don't end up with the idea that you get 10 or 20 degree differences because of how the block is installed.


Darlene

LOL speak of the devil. quick question on larger loops: completely removing all the air in the loop, possibility of being problematic or no.


With hard tubing, . . . absolutely

With soft tubing, . . . not so much

As the coolant expands, even the relatively small amount that it does, it has to go somewhere, which means it's going to increase the internal volume of the loop somehow.

If it can compress some air somewhere, or otherwise increase the internal volume, no problem . . .

With soft tube, which gets more pliable as it gets warm, it can expand some, mitigating somewhat, the need for airspace

With hard line, if there's no airspace, then expanding coolant is going to push the tubing out of a fitting(s) somewhere.


In the very early days of hard line, when all you could find was 1/2", and the only fittings were C47's for 12mm crystal links, it was common to sand down the diameter of the tube to fit in the C47's

That usually was a bit iffy about how round it was and how much grip the o rings could manage . . .

If you didn't have some airspace, or some soft tube in a hidden area, something usually got sideways sooner or later.


Darlene
There is a reason I brought up "blanket statements" even with soft tubing I have had leaks (again not major and a bit special case as I run 4 mcp35xs ) with just temp increases we are talking drops. But with a pc all it takes is a drop. Maybe the soft tubing will give. But we are talking long term. What happens if you develop a weak oring....
It can happen. And again I just don't want that to happen to anyone. At anytime
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First who said I had 20deg Deltas I have 2deg Deltas with at worst 3 degree delta. Unless I shut off my fans. Which I may do ( and others as well )to minimize noise

With that settled.who said I was the only one. Again. I never said that.

I feel and could be completely wrong that you had the idea I ment it would end in complete catastrophic disaster.
See below for more
There is a reason I brought up "blanket statements" even with soft tubing I have had leaks (again not major and a bit special case as I run 4 mcp35xs ) with just temp increases we are talking drops. But with a pc all it takes is a drop. Maybe the soft tubing will give. But we are talking long term. What happens if you develop a weak oring....
It can happen. And again I just don't want that to happen to anyone. At anytime

I said I was being rude and un-constructive, asked Darlene who knows more about big loops than anyone I know, was corrected, and apologized to you. cheers.gif

Not sure what else there is to be said on the subject lol.
post #16976 of 20963
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Yes. Titan X Pascal waterblock. A lot of pre-orders shipped today. Those dates they show on the site are simply estimates, most likely due to changes globally in arrival times and not wanting to be locked into anything right away. In reality, much shorter shipping time occurs. $18.83 to be 100% accurate.

Hmm, that's interesting. Now i'm really tempted to get a block now and just get the other one later lol. If the shipping is actually that fast i mean.


EDIT: Just ordered one. Sucks cuz i'll have one air cooled card and no backplate for either for a few weeks lol. At least i'll be able to get another block in a week or so though. Can't wait to test these two TITAN XP's under water. Even if i can only get a steady ~2,050mhz on each i'd be perfectly happy. My current card seems to have trouble just before 2,000mhz in very demanding games (i.e. witcher 3 only goes to ~1,975mhz or so before having trouble, although the high 80's temps are likely at fault, as my voltage never goes over around ~1.02v for some reason.) And the 2nd card i purchased from a guy who got the #5 top slot on firestrike dual card HOF; so it should at least boost to 2K on air most likely.

Sucks that my maxwell TITAN X block wouldn't fit it, even after i carved some extra room in the little capacitor slot on the very edge. The lump of inductors near the center made the core not contact properly still, so it was a bust. Probably won't be able to sell it for much now too lol.
 
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Hmm, that's interesting. Now i'm really tempted to get a block now and just get the other one later lol. If the shipping is actually that fast i mean.


EDIT: Just ordered one. Sucks cuz i'll have one air cooled card and no backplate for either for a few weeks lol. At least i'll be able to get another block in a week or so though. Can't wait to test these two TITAN XP's under water. Even if i can only get a steady ~2,050mhz on each i'd be perfectly happy. My current card seems to have trouble just before 2,000mhz in very demanding games (i.e. witcher 3 only goes to ~1,975mhz or so before having trouble, although the high 80's temps are likely at fault, as my voltage never goes over around ~1.02v for some reason.) And the 2nd card i purchased from a guy who got the #5 top slot on firestrike dual card HOF; so it should at least boost to 2K on air most likely.

Sucks that my maxwell TITAN X block wouldn't fit it, even after i carved some extra room in the little capacitor slot on the very edge. The lump of inductors near the center made the core not contact properly still, so it was a bust. Probably won't be able to sell it for much now too lol.

Good luck! If I were a smart man I would've just waited and got the block and backplate in same order but I didn't even though I am waiting for backplate before putting on the block. Just good to know I'll have it lol.
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Hey EK Club,

Is anyone familiar with the housing diameter of an EK D5 pump? I'm looking to drill a hole in the midplate of my BH2 to recess my D5 w/ EK XTOP pump, but forgot to measure before leaving the house. What size hole saw bit is best for this?
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Am I understanding correctly that NVIDIA's own HB SLI bridge won't work with the Titan X Pascal waterblocks? So I need the EVGA bridge?
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Am I understanding correctly that NVIDIA's own HB SLI bridge won't work with the Titan X Pascal waterblocks? So I need the EVGA bridge?

that or wait for EK's version of the HB SLI bridge.
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EK-UNI Pump Bracket (120mm FAN) Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS Win10 x64 Win7 x64 
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Asus VG278H Asus VG278H Asus VG278H BenQ GW2750HM 
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Logitech G510 PS-TPG-1500DPCTXX-T CaseLabs Mercury S8 + Pedestal + Pedestal  Logitech G600 
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StarCitizen RSI Creative Labs Core 128 Logitech Z560 Sennheiser PC 163D 
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THRUSTMASTER T.Flight Hotas X Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Saitek PZ35 TrackIR 5 
Other
PS-TPG-0850DPCGUS-R 
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i7-3970X ASUS RAMPAGE IV Formula MSI GTX 1080 FE Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 
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OCZ Vertex 4 Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001 Samsung Pro None 
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DeepCool CAPTAIN 120 Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS Win10 x64 Asus VG278H 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Asus VG278H Asus VG278H BenQ GW2750HM Logitech G510 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ ZX 1250W Antec LanBoy Air Zalman ZM-GM4 StarCitizen RSI 
AudioAudioAudioOther
X-Fi MB2 Logitech Z560 Sennheiser PC 163D THRUSTMASTER T.Flight Hotas X 
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nVidia 3D Vision 2 Saitek PZ35 TrackIR 5 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
FX-8150 ASUS Crosshair V Formula ASUS EAH6870 DC/2DI2S/1GD5 ASUS EAH6870 DC/2DI2S/1GD5 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
Mushkin Silverline 8GB OCZ Vertex 3 LG GGC-H20LI Win10 x64 
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BenQ W5000 Samsung 50" smart TV S7 Logitech diNovo Edge 
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Corsair 800w Thermatake DH 102 Logitech Z-5500 Thermaltake Water 2.0 Performer CLW0215 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
BX80662I76700K GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170X MSI GTX 1080 Sea Hawk EK X MSI GTX 1080 Sea Hawk EK X 
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CMU32GX4M2C3200C16R CMU32GX4M2A2666C16 OCZ Vertex 4 Seagate ST8000NM0055 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 SAMSUNG 950 PRO None EK-CoolStream PE 360 (Triple) 
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LED 3mm TWIN ULTRA WHITE LED 5mm TWIN ULTRA WHITE EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Black Nickel EK-D5 PWM G2 Motor (12V DC PWM Pump Motor) 
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EK-HD PETG Tube 12/16mm 1000mm (8pcs) EK-HDC Fitting 16mm G1/4 - Red EK-ACF Fitting 12/16mm - Red TUBE PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT 15,9 / 1... 
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QD3-MSG4-BK QD3-FSG4-BK EK-CoolStream PE 240 (Dual) EK-CoolStream XE 360 (Triple) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM - Plexi (incl. pump) EK-Supremacy EVO - Nickel EK-FC Terminal TRIPLE Parallel - Plexi EK-FC Terminal BLANK Parallel 
CoolingOSOSOS
EK-UNI Pump Bracket (120mm FAN) Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS Win10 x64 Win7 x64 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Asus VG278H Asus VG278H Asus VG278H BenQ GW2750HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 PS-TPG-1500DPCTXX-T CaseLabs Mercury S8 + Pedestal + Pedestal  Logitech G600 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
StarCitizen RSI Creative Labs Core 128 Logitech Z560 Sennheiser PC 163D 
OtherOtherOtherOther
THRUSTMASTER T.Flight Hotas X Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Saitek PZ35 TrackIR 5 
Other
PS-TPG-0850DPCGUS-R 
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