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Please don't dump toxic stuff into the toilets for the love of god if you're going to tell people it's fine to use something at least dispose of it correctly.

That is the way you dispose of small amounts of antifreeze/etholine glycol. Maybe you should do a little research...
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No it doesn't but like all things you can modify it to take small LEDs just don't drill too far.

Just what I imagined.
yeah, I was just trying to figure out how to light it up nicely.

it's not a problem, as I was planning to use the in-line LEDs G1/4 on a T fitting,
that will take care of the lighting,
just counting how many of those I'll need for the full build.
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That is the way you dispose of small amounts of antifreeze/etholine glycol. Maybe you should do a little research...

Here in the UK we get fined for doing such a thing as our laws on protecting the environment is more strict. I'd never dump toxins found in antifreeze down the toilet as we have the facilities all over the UK where they will deal with it in the correct manner for free. rolleyes.gif
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Just what I imagined.
yeah, I was just trying to figure out how to light it up nicely.

it's not a problem, as I was planning to use the in-line LEDs G1/4 on a T fitting,
that will take care of the lighting,
just counting how many of those I'll need for the full build.

Not sure I follow, usually 2 LEDs will do just fine hooked up to a 3pin header will light that thing up something lovely.
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Here in the UK we get fined for doing such a thing as our laws on protecting the environment is more strict. I'd never dump toxins found in antifreeze down the toilet as we have the facilities all over the UK where they will deal with it in the correct manner for free. rolleyes.gif
Not sure I follow, usually 2 LEDs will do just fine hooked up to a 3pin header will light that thing up something lovely.

Our wastewater gets treated and the crap removed before it's dumped into the nearby river.
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Our wastewater gets treated and the crap removed before it's dumped into the nearby river.

"It won't make a difference if I do it, 2 litres of antifreeze will be treated at the plant" said Bill to his neighbour, "but, Bill, what if everyone does the same and that 2 litres ends up being a lot more?: rolleyes.gif

We only have one earth, dispose of your waste in the correct manner please like a responsible human being. Call me a social justice warrior all you want but you're telling people to put antifreeze in their systems and now dump it down the toilet? Fair enough if it's bio degradable etc but half the time it isn't and it's toxic so do the right thing and dispose of it correctly.
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Entertaining coversation Benji. Totally agree with everything you said.

I have two arguments against using AntiFreeze.

1st is Rather simple...

What is the definition of those two words? Anti is "To halt or stop, or "Against". Yeah there are more definitions for that one word but I will use the base definition of "Stop"

Freeze is even simpler to define. Since water Freezes @ 0c or 32F. and since NO computer system short of one going for an LN2 record or not running a Water Chiller will reach 0c w/o assistance there is zero reason to use such things. Especially when Biocide, AntiCorrosives and Distilled are cheaper than the cheapest AF on the market.

2nd is this and I love when this rebuttal comes up..." Why is something that has been used since the beginning of Watercooling not good enough now?", well maybe because back when Water Cooling first started out, most every component had some form of aluminum in it. Radiator? Check. CPU blocks? Check. Chipset blocks? Check. And rubber tubing and small pond pumps running coolant through aluminum barbs. There was no reason not to run the stuff, since most everything used came from a small car or motorcycle. But now we're so far along from concept and cobbling cooling loops together from junk/salvage yards. People run dyes, they run clear tubing, they run all sorts of things that have evolved over the years. Remember when a cooling block didn't have channels in them?

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Entertaining coversation Benji. Totally agree with everything you said.

I have two arguments against using AntiFreeze.

1st is Rather simple...

What is the definition of those two words? Anti is "To halt or stop, or "Against". Yeah there are more definitions for that one word but I will use the base definition of "Stop"

Freeze is even simpler to define. Since water Freezes @ 0c or 32F. and since NO computer system short of one going for an LN2 record or not running a Water Chiller will reach 0c w/o assistance there is zero reason to use such things. Especially when Biocide, AntiCorrosives and Distilled are cheaper than the cheapest AF on the market.

2nd is this and I love when this rebuttal comes up..." Why is something that has been used since the beginning of Watercooling not good enough now?", well maybe because back when Water Cooling first started out, most every component had some form of aluminum in it. Radiator? Check. CPU blocks? Check. Chipset blocks? Check. And rubber tubing and small pond pumps running coolant through aluminum barbs. There was no reason not to run the stuff, since most everything used came from a small car or motorcycle. But now we're so far along from concept and cobbling cooling loops together from junk/salvage yards. People run dyes, they run clear tubing, they run all sorts of things that have evolved over the years. Remember when a cooling block didn't have channels in them?

Antiquated coolant belongs with antiquated hardware. thumb.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Found this with a simple google, seems my moral compas is alright and I don't need it checking.
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Antifreeze dumped down the toilet will enter the sewage treatment system, as opposed to the stormwater system if you dump it into a storm drain. Once the antifreeze enters into the sewage treatment plant it will raise the BOD (biochemical oxygen demand) of the influent, causing problems in the plant. This can cause the STP to shut down or be unable to process sewage. The source of the high BOD can be traced by checking the various access points in the sewage system, such as manholes and lift stations, although this is probably not probable given a single incident.
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I understand where your question came from, because it use to actually say, right on the side of the antifreeze jugs, that you should pour old antifreeze down the toilet. So I did some research and it appears that there is no specific EPA law regarding it, but it is certainly a bad idea. Check with your local auto parts store and/or municipal recycling centers to find a safe way to get rid of it.
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Propylene glycol is known to exert high levels of biochemical oxygen demand (BOD) during degradation in surface waters. This process can adversely affect aquatic life by consuming oxygen needed by aquatic organisms for survival. Large quantities of dissolved oxygen (DO) in the water column are consumed when microbial populations decompose propylene glycol.[49]:2–23

Sufficient dissolved oxygen levels in surface waters are critical for the survival of fish, macroinvertebrates, and other aquatic organisms. If oxygen concentrations drop below a minimum level, organisms emigrate, if able and possible, to areas with higher oxygen levels or eventually die. This effect can drastically reduce the amount of usable aquatic habitat. Reductions in DO levels can reduce or eliminate bottom feeder populations, create conditions that favor a change in a community’s species profile, or alter critical food-web interactions.[49]:2–30
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"It won't make a difference if I do it, 2 litres of antifreeze will be treated at the plant" said Bill to his neighbour, "but, Bill, what if everyone does the same and that 2 litres ends up being a lot more?: rolleyes.gif

We only have one earth, dispose of your waste in the correct manner please like a responsible human being. Call me a social justice warrior all you want but you're telling people to put antifreeze in their systems and now dump it down the toilet? Fair enough if it's bio degradable etc but half the time it isn't and it's toxic so do the right thing and dispose of it correctly.

How about, you do your own research rather than being a parrot. Most local regulations say to dump antifreeze down the sewer if no local recycling is available.
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Entertaining coversation Benji. Totally agree with everything you said.

I have two arguments against using AntiFreeze.

1st is Rather simple...

What is the definition of those two words? Anti is "To halt or stop, or "Against". Yeah there are more definitions for that one word but I will use the base definition of "Stop"

Freeze is even simpler to define. Since water Freezes @ 0c or 32F. and since NO computer system short of one going for an LN2 record or not running a Water Chiller will reach 0c w/o assistance there is zero reason to use such things. Especially when Biocide, AntiCorrosives and Distilled are cheaper than the cheapest AF on the market.

2nd is this and I love when this rebuttal comes up..." Why is something that has been used since the beginning of Watercooling not good enough now?", well maybe because back when Water Cooling first started out, most every component had some form of aluminum in it. Radiator? Check. CPU blocks? Check. Chipset blocks? Check. And rubber tubing and small pond pumps running coolant through aluminum barbs. There was no reason not to run the stuff, since most everything used came from a small car or motorcycle. But now we're so far along from concept and cobbling cooling loops together from junk/salvage yards. People run dyes, they run clear tubing, they run all sorts of things that have evolved over the years. Remember when a cooling block didn't have channels in them?

Antiquated coolant belongs with antiquated hardware. thumb.gif

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What is EK's coolant made of?
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How about, you do your own research rather than being a parrot. Most local regulations say to dump antifreeze down the sewer if no local recycling is available.

Please read my last post. I did my research and guess what? It's not a good idea.
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