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Originally Posted by IchiRuki View Post

Hello,

sorry to barge in here but I would like your opinions and even some help with routing my PETG tubing. I kinda didnt plan it out right (I think)... is there something I can improve in the layout? Thank you smile.gif
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I think your going to have to move that pump, the outlet is in the worst possible place, or get a shorter res. That looks like parallel bridge, correct?

EDIT: Is your PSU even going to fit in there with that rad like that?
Edited by Radnad - 10/12/16 at 12:07pm
 
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AllGamer, the Predator cost under 140 now and that gives me a real pump, rad, and a CPU waterblock, that allows vast expansion according to the manual. According to the reviews, the temperatures are identical to a full-fledged loop, so it's a good starting point.

Radnad, ok, clear now smile.gif  Nevermind, I'm a programmer, dead boring guy when it comes to discussing all those little details in the wording biggrin.gif  

hmm... I would not recommend the Predator... while it's water cooling, that's more of an AIO, its expansion are rather limited.

I'll suggest one of this https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-p240
plus an extra 240 or 360 rad on the side.

that means 2 more tubes and 2 more fittings.
Edited by AllGamer - 10/12/16 at 12:02pm
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post #17793 of 20783
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is that a Parallel or Serial EK bridge for the video cards?

well regardless a logical flow I'd do is as follow:

1. From Top Rad To CPU
2. CPU to SLI Bridge
3. SLI Bridge to bottom Rad
4. Bottom Rad to Res
5. Res to pump
6. pump to Top Rad

Hey,

It is parallel smile.gif and thank you
post #17794 of 20783
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Hey,

It is parallel smile.gif and thank you

ooops! looks like you replied before I edited.

I added this:


scratch that, looking at it again, it will make more sense to go from bottom up, instead of top to bottom.

1. So it'll start from Res to pump
2. pump to bottom Rad
3. Bottom Rad to SLI Bridge
4. SLI bridge to CPU
5 CPU to Top Rad
6. Top Rad to Res
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ooops! looks like you replied before I edited.

I added this:


scratch that, looking at it again, it will make more sense to go from bottom up, instead of top to bottom.

1. So it'll start from Res to pump
2. pump to bottom Rad
3. Bottom Rad to SLI Bridge
4. SLI bridge to CPU
5 CPU to Top Rad
6. Top Rad to Res

Yeah, I am lurking for each reply biggrin.gif thank you for the edit, this seems very doable thumb.gif
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AllGamer, I have to disagree, to quote the manual:

 

EK-IM-3831109863343.pdf

 

Quote:
The EK-XLC Predator 240 is capable to cope with expansion of the system with one additional waterblock, radiator and reservoir (optional).
Quote:
The EK-XLC Predator 360 (incl. QDC) is capable to cope with expansion of the system with additional 2 (two) waterblocks and 1 (one) radiator.

Which means the pump is strong enough. The kits are too expensive compared to the Predator in my opinion while offering no real benefits. The Predator used to cost about the same until recently.

 

Visited the link, 262 euro, no way I'm getting that when the Predator allows me to have a double 240 setup for 50 more :)

 

Edit: Well, got me thinking anyway, thanks for all the hints!


Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 10/12/16 at 12:14pm
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Now I'm completely lost biggrin.gif

looniam there is no case, one will be built to be as compact as possible for an mATX board. 360 + 240 will be crazy expensive already, I'm nearing the 300 euro mark and it looks like it's going to get crossed with the smaller setups.

as radnad mentioned:
Quote:
One 360 would cool it but you might get fan noise under heavy loads.

right now i am running an i7-2600K and 980TI w/280 push and does a *sufficient* job. you would be putting out a bit my heat with a socket 2011, even with a pascal card. so you would propably like more rad than a single 280 and possible a 360.

a 280 predator would be fine for a socket 115x and mid range gpu (GP 104 chip) but that 2011 socket can put out some heat when OCed.
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Oh OK, I've been using the TechPowerUp article on the 5820K as the reference, where they achieved a peak system power consumption of 200W for the 4930K @ 4.5 GHz under prime95. Adding a 1060 here with the maximum potential power consumption of, let's say, 160 watts, because NVIDIA lies with the 120W and we want to overclock it, that adds to a 360W under some crazy simultaneous load that would only come from a synthetic benchmark. That gives 360W peak and more like 250-280W heavy load, i.e. gaming. Based on this, we can estimate the necessary rad space for silent operation.

 

Is it possible to get a way with just this:

 

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-xtop-revo-d5-pwm-plexi-incl-pump

 

without a dedicated res for a while if the pump is placed correctly? As far as I understand, the res mainly serves as an air bleeding zone, correct? Would like to make a custom res later on (really into making stuff you see, whole family into it :)) and if I weer to go the custom kit route, wouldn't like to spend extra on a res that would get ditched later.

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AllGamer, I have to disagree, to quote the manual:

EK-IM-3831109863343.pdf

Which means the pump is strong enough. The kits are too expensive compared to the Predator in my opinion while offering no real benefits. The Predator used to cost about the same until recently.

Visited the link, 262 euro, no way I'm getting that when the Predator allows me to have a double 240 setup for 50 more smile.gif

Edit: Well, got me thinking anyway, thanks for all the hints!

yes, on paper it sounds great.

but in practice you'll be better off to start with a real water cooling kit, instead of the Expandable AIO

I started water cooling using AIO, after a while the limitations became very evident, so I did also consider upgrading to the EK Predators and/or Swiftech AIO,
but then once I started changing parts, and the tubing, fittings, fittings, etc... it added up to the cost of an authentic Water cooling kit.

So, I went with the real deal instead, then I was able to fully customize which parts I wanted to use, instead of settling for the default.

Feel free to experiment and start with the Predators, eventually you'll want to move into the bigger stuff .

You'll be back wink.gifbiggrin.giftongue.gif
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Haha yeah mate sure I've been through the "oh well let's get this we don't need the greatest part" thing with mountain bikes, starting off with a commuter, then on to a simple cross-country aluminum frame stock, and ended up building a custom carbon racing bike for mother to ride around every day same way as others would drive around in a car :thumbsups

 

So I know it's better to hold your breath and pay right in the very beginning than run around in circles later thinking how to sell all the parts :D But, I want to be sure there is a real difference, and understand what it is about. 

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