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Originally Posted by superstition222 View Post

I think the advice to just use distilled, plus or minus copper sulphate as a biocide, is unwise. All the research I've done into industry practices rather than amateur PC watercooling, says it's mandatory to use inhibitors and those are nearly always triazoles with copper. Sulfates are also very questionable. Something more like chloroamine is probably a better choice.

If corrosion isn't present sooner than later then the surfaces were likely pretreated by the manufacturer — with a dip in tolyltriazole solution or similar.

If you're going to be cheap then at least order some benzotriazole and mix it into the distilled water (.1M), plus a compatible biocide and some borax from WalMart to raise the pH to something like 8.5. That's a cheap coolant that's going to be safer than just using water and hoping that corrosion won't happen.

Do as you want to but you are making this a lot more complicated than necessary!! All i have ever used is di and biocide and this is in over 10 years of water cooling!!

A lot of difference between what we do in a pc and industry practices and no reason to compare!!! I work in a industry that uses water to cool a lot of items so my knowledge is from experience not just reading
post #18112 of 20781
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Originally Posted by ITAngel View Post

Is it possible to run distilled water temporary until I get new ekoolant? If so how long you guys recommend to run direct distilled water?
If you're going to run distilled temporarily head to WalMart and get some Mule Team Borax. Add it to the water until the pH is at 8.5. Having a higher pH slows growth and inhibits the most damaging type of corrosion (pitting). If the pH gets too high, though, it can lead to scale formation.
post #18113 of 20781
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Originally Posted by Lionheart1980 View Post

Ha ha ha, yeah I hear ya.

On the biocide topic: This is what I uses (Dazmode Protector, whole bottle of it into 2 L distilled water)

https://www.dazmode.com/store/product/dazmode_protector/

That's what I uses all the time since I'm Canadian tongue.gif

All i have ever used is di water and copper sulfate biocides. This is with over 10 years of putting pc's under water with no problems!!!
post #18114 of 20781
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Originally Posted by superstition222 View Post

If you're going to run distilled temporarily head to WalMart and get some Mule Team Borax. Add it to the water until the pH is at 8.5. Having a higher pH slows growth and inhibits the most damaging type of corrosion (pitting). If the pH gets too high, though, it can lead to scale formation.

Actually better to run just di water than add something to water to raise the ph levels
post #18115 of 20781
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Originally Posted by seross69 View Post

Do as you want to but you are making this a lot more complicated than necessary!!

No, it's the copper that's making it complicated. Copper corrodes, forming various oxides that inhibit heat transfer. If people don't mind inhibiting the thermal transfer of their copper surfaces by a lot then they can skip something rather simple like adding some triazole and a borate buffer.

Bacterial growth inhibition is also important because it leads to pitting.

I suppose that if people want simple watercooling with just distilled water they should lobby for silver as the metal of choice rather than copper. Its heat transfer isn't as good but it does have built-in biocidal properties. biggrin.gif

It also forms oxides but maybe there is a way of making a stainless silver alloy.
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Originally Posted by seross69 View Post

All i have ever used is di and biocide and this is in over 10 years of water cooling!!

A lot of difference between what we do in a pc and industry practices and no reason to compare!!! I work in a industry that uses water to cool a lot of items so my knowledge is from experience not just reading
Part of the reading I did was from a person who used distilled for years and then noticed that his blocks started leaking because of surprise corrosion.
post #18116 of 20781
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Originally Posted by seross69 View Post

Actually better to run just di water than add something to water to raise the ph levels
citation needed

The professional articles I've read all say the same thing: Basic pH inhibits bacterial growth and thus pitting. It also enhances the effectiveness of triazole galvanic corrosion inhibitors. But, too basic and scale formation becomes an issue and it's especially not good for aluminum.

Every water system formulation I've found that's related to what we're doing buffers for pH and increases it over 7.
Edited by superstition222 - 11/21/16 at 9:47pm
post #18117 of 20781
I would think the pH being around 8.5 is high enough overall
 
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citation needed

The professional articles I've read all say the same thing: Basic pH inhibits bacterial growth and thus pitting. It also enhances the effectiveness of triazole galvanic corrosion inhibitors. But, too basic and scale formation becomes an issue and it's especially not good for aluminum.

Every water system formulation I've found that's related to what we're doing buffers for pH and increases it over 7.

Again reading and not practical experience!!! Closed loop system with distilled water will actually run fine and cause no damage for a long time!!!
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No, it's the copper that's making it complicated. Copper corrodes, forming various oxides that inhibit heat transfer. If people don't mind inhibiting the thermal transfer of their copper surfaces by a lot then they can skip something rather simple like adding some triazole and a borate buffer.

Bacterial growth inhibition is also important because it leads to pitting.

I suppose that if people want simple watercooling with just distilled water they should lobby for silver as the metal of choice rather than copper. Its heat transfer isn't as good but it does have built-in biocidal properties. biggrin.gif

It also forms oxides but maybe there is a way of making a stainless silver alloy.
Part of the reading I did was from a person who used distilled for years and then noticed that his blocks started leaking because of surprise corrosion.

Actually silver transfers heat better
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As does Gold, but that can get expensive fast lol
 
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