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Originally Posted by surfinchina View Post

.. used the black tube, which makes super sharp bends without problem, is soft enough to make assembly easy ..
.. go for the corsair mag lev fans. They're way better than the vardars ..

Oh, edit: welcome to the obsession I mean hobby

 

For starters, thank you :)

If you don't mind a follow up? 

 

- I was under the impression that the 'black' tubing was significantly harder to bend, was it not? Am assuming you meant this one, right?

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-tube-zmt-matte-black-15-9-9-5mm-3m-retail

 

- Have used maglevs for case/overall cooling, never for rads. What makes you value them higher than the furious vardars? Emphasis on furious, rather than any of the 'slower' models.

 

 

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.. it is a lot cheaper to go with a kit, then add what you need to add/replace ..

 

Thank you for replying, but not going after kits. One, too much aluminum for my liking, two, incompatibile with most non-kit oriented parts, three, for what i'm going for, they're just not capable of getting the job done.

Again though, i appreciate your responding.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by MNMadman View Post

.. I've heard bad things about EK's soft tubing and discoloration ..

.. Corsair ML120/ML140 fans ..

 

Thanks :)

 

- I'm not planning on going the transparent tubing route at all, opting for black; any thoughts or experience with it that you'd like to share? If you need me to be specific, i've linked it here, look upwards, same post.

 

- As with the poster above you, why the Maglev preference?

(if it helps, up to now i've been using exclusively the industrial grade SP Noctua fans [3000rpm PPC black ones]. Read a lot about scaling though, realized what it meant considering i never run a fan at 100%, so decided to go with furious vardars for the next one; hence my enquiring).

 

Edit: forgot to mention, but gave rep to everyone; my thanks once more to y'all :)


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See my last EDIT..

If we go into "ready to use" territory..
Yes I agree with you...every EK product needs thoroughly flushing and cleaning..and the paint is kinda flimsy and flakes easily.
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A bit of a general question (albeit solely EK-related). This whole OC->related cooling->parts erm, hobby, is recent for me. Been reading like crazy for months now, but i'm still at a point where i mostly know what i do not know, if you get my point ^^
This being the case, i was thinking of going the "everything from EKWB" route to play it safe, least so far as compatibility may be concerned.. spare me any potential trouble.

So to the question; excluding specifics (for example their current TR4 block) which do not constitute the rule so let's keep them out, is there anything, rads, pumps, combos, tubing, fans (planning for furious vardars+ push-pull) anything that you'd advise me to look elsewhere for?
I read a lot about flaking, i read a lot about current quality decrease, but i) have zero way to verify any of it, ii) often enough the style and tone of the post at hand is such that makes feel as if hyperbole is in effect. Any opinions welcome smile.gif

Am not into RGB/circus lights, am not into hard tubing, am not into looks or bling. Just function, ie lowest possible delta. I won't give rig specifics, firstly because i do not have them yet, secondly because if it gets down to 'good enough as long as..', then i guess you've already answered me smile.gif

Would appreciate any pointers.

Given that you're looking for soft tubing and you're not looking at TR4, you could do an all EK loop and get good performance with all EK parts. In fact their zmt tubing is probably some of the best tubing on the market as far as quality goes if you're cool with black.

The only thing here is the SE rads. Hardware labs makes some much nicer slim rads. For thicker rads the XE rads are pretty good.
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Using cheapo fans on both HWLabs GTS and Se will prove you'r right...

Using a Noctua ippp 3000 fan at 800 rpm on both will show I'm right..

Blame the rad and let's just cheap on everything else will definitely be the right way to do stuff thumb.gif


EDIT: .. the RAD you all praise (Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTS 280...the 240 is called GT) has only 16 FPI while EK has 22, it also has approx 14-15% more surface. you do the math.

Hi there

Here is review not 240mm radiators but 360mm of HWLabs GTS360 and SE360

http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/11/hardwarelabs-nemesis-360-gts-radiator-review/

Regarding running cheap fans on radiator,this I wouldn't recommend or do,but there are lots of good fans for money which performs good on radiators

I have went via few fans and radiators on my builds which I build for myself and for my friends

Few months back I built for my friend loop where we are went via XSPC and EK radiators and at the end I went on his build with 2*GTS360 as well and for fans we are used Arctic F12 PWM fans

I have run as well EK Vardar fans which I hated as these fans have strange whine noise at low RPM, then I went with Phanteks PH-F120MP fans which are my favourite fans but currently testing on my loop Corsair ML120 fans as well

I currently running 3*GTS360 and 1*XE360 radiator, tried few fans on both radiators like EK Vardar F3 1850RPM or Phanteks PH-F120MP and Corsair ML120 and on these radiators I prefer to use Phanteks PH-F120MP fans but on EK XE360 there seems best fans are ML120

Hope this helps

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.. The only thing here is the SE rads. Hardware labs makes some much nicer slim rads ..

 

Wasn't planning on using slim rads anyway; i don't, well.. won't have clearance issues, so personally see no reason to add higher restriction for lesser cooling.

Definitely the 60mm thick ones, push-pull.

 

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Hi Jura,

I think this discussion is getting away from its scope the more we post about it.

I had HWLabs and I have SE and XE..
If you go back a few posts I said I can only comment on what I own or owned. On the Phanteks PH-F120MP matter.. also couple of posts back you will see some pictures I posted with couple of fans in there (can't find the original ones at the moment but there were 14 fans) the sample I got was clearly noisier and weaker at 800 RPM than my Noctua at 680 RPM (ye..there is a picture there as well from aquasuite showing it run even lower..) the Phantec fan was unable to keep RPM as low as Noctua without stooping... at 600 RPM they where equaly noisy with Noctua clearly doing a better cooling job and at max...what can I say... Noctua has 3000 RPM.. So given this data why would I go with Phanteks over Noctua ?..
If you go by the argument that Phantek at 1800 RPM is more silent than Noctua at same speed I will contradict and say their equally noisy the only difference is in tone of the noise and can I mention that Noctua at 1000-1200 RPM (Nearly dead Silent) can cool equal or even slightly better than Phantek at 1800 RPM ?
Is price the problem than ? Today Phantek is £11 and Noctua £25. They have SSO2 bearing a fibre-glass reinforced polyamide body...a MTTF >150.000 h, water & dust resistant IP52 and a 6 year warranty with EXCELLENT customer support. Is the extra £14 really not worth for all of this ?

Find me 2 online reviewers who got their number the same assuming they all use their "test" environment and pretty identical testing methodologies than I will start believing reviewers.
They can't replicate their findings even between them and there are mixed reviews for every single hardware piece out there.

I do my own testing and I comment only on things I own or owned as I am interested in only "real life" scenarios and not some "testing" ideal environment.
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For starters, thank you smile.gif
If you don't mind a follow up? 

- I was under the impression that the 'black' tubing was significantly harder to bend, was it not? Am assuming you meant this one, right?
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-tube-zmt-matte-black-15-9-9-5mm-3m-retail

- Have used maglevs for case/overall cooling, never for rads. What makes you value them higher than the furious vardars? Emphasis on furious, rather than any of the 'slower' models.

Edit: forgot to mention, but gave rep to everyone; my thanks once more to y'all smile.gif

Thanks for the rep smile.gif
The black tubing is a lot softer. It fits over the barbs nicely and bends really tight, but will never crimp and restrict the flow. It didn't bleed into the coolant and imo it looks great. I had it in a sort of steam punk build in an Inwin 901.
The Vardars (I had the ER) were a bit noisy and had a bad harmonic. Also, one out of the four I had sounded worse which made me not trust the quality.
After that I got the Noctua focused flows which are great for cooling and quiet, then I got the Corsair mag levs which are super quiet but more loud than the Noctuas at full noise - it's an air rushing sound which the Noctua focused flow seem to make a bit quieter somehow . The Corsair look better in my current build though.
If you're after the best fans I guess Noctua is it.
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Regarding maglevs, i managed to find the graph i wanted. Could probably find a couple more from other review sites (that i trust) to back it up further, but for now just this one, as my memory is going down the crapper :)

 

 

As seen here: http://thermalbench.com/2016/07/12/corsair-ml120-pro-120-mm-fan/3/

 

Pink is the furious vardar.

Red is my current Noctua (the PPC industrial turbo injection etc. etc.).

Green is the maglev.

 

Now assuming as exhibit A the above and as exhibit B the fact that despite its superior performance, the furious vardar is the cheapest of them all by far; again, why the maglev fan preference?

(and please don't tell me looks. As my sgt used to say, this ain't the beauty parlor ladies)


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Regarding maglevs, i managed to find the graph i wanted. Could probably find a couple more from other review sites (that i trust) to back it up further, but for now just this one, as my memory is going down the crapper smile.gif




Pink is the furious vardar.
Red is my current Noctua (the PPC industrial turbo injection etc. etc.).
Green is the maglev.

Now, assuming as exhibit A the above, and as exhibit B the fact that the furious vardar is the cheapest of them all and by far, again, why the maglev fan preference?
(and please don't tell me looks. As my sgt used to say, this ain't the beauty parlor ladies)

Noise.
They're loud at full speed and the noise is less pleasant than the other fans mentioned. Sort of whiny.
I have no issues at all with their cooling performance.
If you want pure performance and don't care about noise you'd go for the Noctua industrials. It's like living next to an Airport, and they make a sort of mini tornado in the room, but the cooling is impressive.
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Noise.
They're loud at full speed and the noise is less pleasant than the other fans mentioned. Sort of whiny.
I have no issues at all with their cooling performance.
If you want pure performance and don't care about noise you'd go for the Noctua industrials. It's like living next to an Airport, and they make a sort of mini tornado in the room, but the cooling is impressive.
I have enough vardar fans to build a hovering city. They are good fans. They are cheap for high-quality fans. They look nice for simple fans. I would not be the least bit surprised if I bought more. They are relatively quiet, particularly given their performance, but I will say that I have 12 ML120's humming away beside me right now and the character of the sound at low speed in particular is more pleasant. What's more at any given speed the ML-120 make an "air" noise vs the vardar which have what I can only describe as a "rumble". You said "whiny", but what I hear is a relative low frequency component.

The improvement in "experience" of the 120's is more so than the 140's in my opinion, but its the same difference in character.

The RGB MLs are pretty ludicrously priced, but thankfully, I don't bother with them. ML120's in 2-packs are cheaper than vardar last I checked.
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