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What I find most hilarious, is that for a platform that is primarily used to view things. Image quality has barely been a concern.
This. How anyone can recommend a platform that cannot properly play most BluRay content for use in an HTPC is beyond me.

It's like buying a sports car instead of a pickup truck - sure it goes 4 times faster and only costs twice as much, but what if you need to carry a load of bricks around the place?

(nice name by the way)
post #92 of 118
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What I find most hilarious, is that for a platform that is primarily used to view things. Image quality has barely been a concern.
Image and video quality,AMD would take the win.

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Originally Posted by the_beast View Post
This. How anyone can recommend a platform that cannot properly play most BluRay content for use in an HTPC is beyond me.

It's like buying a sports car instead of a pickup truck - sure it goes 4 times faster and only costs twice as much, but what if you need to carry a load of bricks around the place?

(nice name by the way)
Because the Intel GPU can't play Bluray 1080P properly,you have to install a discrete card,which ruins the whole point of having a low power system.
Edited by Heavy MG - 4/20/11 at 2:02am
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People who say that us complaining about price and/or say they are different markets are wrong... you silly people. Sure, its not a huge price jump and you gain substantial hp, but think about netbooks vs low end PC's. Just a small bump in price of roughly a hundred or so and you gain likely more than 2-3x performance in games and such.

In markets like this, where low prices matter, ~$90 is a significant increase, and likely bumps you into a new performance level, like in this case.
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Image and video quality,AMD would take the win.


Because the Intel GPU can't play Bluray 1080P properly,you have to install a discrete card,which ruins the whole point of having a low power system.
erm, that was my point. If you read the thread you'll see I brought up the Intel IGP 23.976Hz issue in post #18.
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People who say that us complaining about price and/or say they are different markets are wrong... you silly people. Sure, its not a huge price jump and you gain substantial hp, but think about netbooks vs low end PC's. Just a small bump in price of roughly a hundred or so and you gain likely more than 2-3x performance in games and such.

In markets like this, where low prices matter, ~$90 is a significant increase, and likely bumps you into a new performance level, like in this case.
Going from E350 to i3 is a 30% increase in system costs for neligible performance gains for a base HTPC.

People generally do not pay more for nothing.


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Originally Posted by mothergoose729 View Post
People who complain about price and try to argue that the are too completely different platforms are really just making excuses. The 210T and the zacate are both low power, ITX platforms with on die graphics solutions. They are meant to fill similar kinds of systems and to compete in very similar markets. The fact that the intel product both consumes less power and has greater performance makes it a better product. Sure its signifcantly more expensive, but it is also superior in every single way. Comparing zacate to the i3 is a fair comparison.
Fair comparison in a mITX comparison.

However, it is not fair in a HTPC comparison. If it was a HTPC comparision, you would include $100-200 media streamer that have virtually the same functionality.





Who here actually has built HTPCs?
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/20/11 at 6:32am
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There are some seriously big ego in this thread.

OT: The zacate from AMD, once again, win the extremely budget market share while Intel still wins the efficiency war
    
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Who here actually has built HTPCs?
I've built 3. And have had a media streamer and they are very limited.

Again does anyone here even use zacate? It seems to be very hit and miss on what the cpu can actually do. If dxva is working then fine. But plenty of users have reported that when playback is reliant on the cpu it can choke. i.e. silverlight.

I've seen numerous folks that gave up and returned it for a "normal" cpu. You can have your just barely good enough hardware. I'd rather have a cpu for a little more that will decode any video on its own no problem.

Intel atom anyone?
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Again does anyone here even use zacate? It seems to be very hit and miss on what the cpu can actually do. If dxva is working then fine. But plenty of users have reported that when playback is reliant on the cpu it can choke. i.e. silverlight.
Silverlight does support GPU acceleration, I believe?

It looks to be a software/driver issue.
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Going from E350 to i3 is a 30% increase in system costs for neligible performance gains for a base HTPC.

People generally do not pay more for nothing.
Completely missed my point. Sure, people won't pay for nothing, but when you leave one segment of the market and move to the next, there's usually a very small price increase with a huge gain in performance, your response does nothing to address that point.

Again, some netbooks and laptops are near the same price point, but the performance can be very different. If those netbooks are so obviously not worth it, they wouldn't sell, and therefore wouldn't be produced.
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Completely missed my point. Sure, people won't pay for nothing, but when you leave one segment of the market and move to the next, there's usually a very small price increase with a huge gain in performance, your response does nothing to address that point.

Again, some netbooks and laptops are near the same price point, but the performance can be very different. If those netbooks are so obviously not worth it, they wouldn't sell, and therefore wouldn't be produced.
Correct, there is a sweet spot in price vs performance. Low-end GPUs are usually $20-30 and offer 10-20% the performance of a decent GPU for a $100. The price vs performance is lower.... but the absolute price is lower since these markets are more sensitive to price.

When comparing netbooks to laptops, you cannot just look at performance and price alone. You have additional factors such as size and battery life.


For a base HTPC, the factors to consider are playback/functionality, heat/power/noise, size, and cost.
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