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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;13173199 
And yet, they're the same price they're always been. I.e. 200 bucks or so for 120gb. I'm sorry, but they haven't gotten any cheaper. Faster yes, by miles.

I seriously, seriously doubt SSDs will be mainstream within 3 years. I cannot see terabyte ssds coming onto market in the sub 200 dollar range in that time frame, can you? Really?

Mind you, I think the prices would have to be even better than that for it to be "mainstream" and for Dells and HPs to be sold with SSDs as standard.

OT: If they were losing money, why were they charging so little for their drives? No wonder WD couldn't compete price wise. They realized you gotta make profit to stay in business. So much for those keen Samsung businessmen, Duckie. tongue.gif


You haven't been following SSDs long enough. Over the years, 120GB SSD moved from $400, $300, $200, and now are at $180. The recent delay in pricing decreases was due a delay in the migration to 25nm.

If you check www.dramexchange.com over the years, there was a time when 8GB NAND costs $50+. They now cost $13.

SSDs will be mainstream in 3 years. You are forgetting about the memory/storage hierarchry. SSDs never have to be 1TB for mainstream use. How much space for programs/apps does the average user need? ... less than 60GB. In the future, laptops will have 16-64GB SSD modules with the OS/apps installed. All other data will be stored on the HDD. Vista made is easier to relocate media folders. Windows 7 takes a step in abstracting the media folders with Libraries. These steps will make it easier for OEMs to install two seperate drives on most PCs.


They might be charging so little because they maybe need the sales. Samsung has no where near the brand recognition as the other two big ones. You can't charge a premium if consumers don't realize that you are better, faster, stronger. Also, you forget that consumer sales make up a minority in total sales. A single sale to an OEM or distributer is in the tens of thousands. You need to take these numbers in account because they are more important.
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/18/11 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo;13173338 
You haven't been following SSDs long enough. Over the years, 120GB SSD moved from $400, $300, $200, and now are at $180. The recent delay in pricing decreases was due a delay in the migration to 25nm.

If you check www.dramexchange.com over the years, there was a time when 8GB NAND costs $50+. They now cost $13.

SSDs will be mainstream in 3 years. You are forgetting about the memory/storage hierarchry. SSDs never have to be 1TB for mainstream use. How much space for programs/apps does the average user need? ... less than 60GB. In the future, laptops will have 16-64GB SSD modules with the OS/apps installed. All other data will be stored on the HDD. Vista made is easier to relocate media folders. Windows 7 takes a step in abstracting the media folders with Libraries. These steps will make it easier for OEMs to install two seperate drives on most PCs.


They might be charging so little because they maybe need the sales. Samsung has no where near the brand recognition as the other two big ones. You can't charge a premium if consumers don't realize that you are better, faster, stronger. Also, you forget that consumer sales make up a minority in total sales. A single sale to an OEM or distributer is in the tens of thousands. You need to take these numbers in account because they are more important.

Been following them long enough to know the price has stayed very steady, at 200 for 120gb. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=120gb+ssd&x=0&y=0 They're actually a bit more than 200.

SSDs will never be mainstream until an average user can fit everything he/she uses and does with their PC onto it. Do you think the mainstream user has the knowledge/time to manage a tiny 60gb disk? No. I can't even be bothered, for whatever tiny benefits I might see.

Tell an average user: Here's 60 gb for 100 bucks, and here's 1 tb for 100 bucks. Which do you think they're going to choose? OEMs know this. Average consumers could care less that their boot times are 10 seconds quicker, or that they saved 10 milliseconds opening MS Word.

Oh, and it wouldn't matter if it were $4 dollars/8gb, because mech. drives are ~10 cents/gb. That's why SSDs won't be mainstream for at least 5 years.
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I hope Western Digital picks them up... I would love to see a WD drive with the Momentus XT SSD combo in it smile.gif
     
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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;13173393 
Been following them long enough to know the price has stayed very steady, at 200 for 120gb. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=120gb+ssd&x=0&y=0 They're actually a bit more than 200.
Immediately, I know that you have been following SSDs for less than 1 year. The fact is that all these SandForce SSDs launched at $280-300. I am looking at numbers over 5 years.

In addition, I already told you why prices have not moved much in the last year. IMFT has finally gotten SSD-quality 25nm NAND in mass production.

On that page, 120GB Vertex 2 for $180 AR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551&cm_re=120gb_ssd-_-20-227-551-_-Product

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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;13173393 
SSDs will never be mainstream until an average user can fit everything he/she uses and does with their PC onto it. Do you think the mainstream user has the knowledge/time to manage a tiny 60gb disk? No.
Furthermore.... I already explained this! rolleyes.gif

Reiterating, the vast majority of consumers require less than 60GB for their OS/applications.

OEMs can abstract the folder partitioning. In addition, Intel is coming out with SSD caching technology. This will be on all their chipsets in 1-2 years.
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I can't even be bothered, for whatever tiny benefits I might see.
Do you own a SSD?

Try replacing a 5400 RPM HDD with a SSD in a laptop...
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/18/11 at 7:33am
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Seagate buying Samsung? doh.gif


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Ugh, I love my F4 by Samsung, though frown.gif. Why Seagate? FUUUUUU Samsung.
 
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Article forgets to mention the top two hdd manufacturers, MAxtor and MDT, THEN Western Digital... LOL, Im joking of course, but WD is still #1, so it doesn't matter. Samsung might sell the name, but its like AMD and ATI, right? Still same ppl, and teams, but different logo attached to product?
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I'm not surprised their losing money with how their tech support is. An outsourced company outsourcing their harddrive replacement to another company. If customers get a run around having to talk to two technically separate companies, that can't be good for business.

Maybe if it gets sold, everything will be merged into one and the good spinpoints and such will be able to keep going, just rebranded.
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Article forgets to mention the top two hdd manufacturers, MAxtor and MDT, THEN Western Digital... LOL, Im joking of course, but WD is still #1, so it doesn't matter. They might sell the name, but its like AMD and ATI, right? Still same ppl, and teams, but different logo attached to product?
Not quite.... AMD and ATI are two different markets.

This is the consolidation of a single market.

At one point, there were about a dozen companies building x86 CPUs. Now there are only three and VIA basically doesn't count.

At one point, there were a dozen GPU companies... now there are three that control the market.
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oh man, im gonna have to go buy all the 2Tb F4's in my local shop for future file server expansion

Those F4's are such a great drive, and the 3 1Tb F3's (and 720Gb F3) i have are great drives too (were what i considered the top drive in my house until the F4's arrived tongue.gif)

So sad to see them sell it off, i guess just another sorely under recognized products/brands on the market, lets hope this turns out to be BS though :O

or who ever buys them actually uses their info/specs/etc to build awesome/cheap/reliable drives.

ps, for the record i can see SSD's taking over in the OEM market, where majority of laptops/prebuilts come with a max of a few hundred GBs. That's because people won't notice the change over and drive size's will be more than they'll need anyway, though could be dangerous with more and more "average users" using the simple picture/video editing tools included with OS's these days, aswell as storing video's and such from HD video cameras which are really cheap these days)

I can't see the prices of SSD's and the storage spaces going up enough to knock mechanical drives out completely (as said, when you can buy a 2Tb SSD for under $110 (you can get samsung F4's for roughly $105 here in Aus) then yeah HDD's will go the way of the dinosaur, but until that happens, HDD's will always have a place as storage/file server use/cheap HTPC's (hell unless video reso jumps up alot, i doubt you'd ever "need" an SSD for a HTPC).

im tipping 2-3 years, most people will be using a "SSD for important apps/current games/main os/etc and HDD for storage/the rest' type setups rather than just full SSD conversion
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OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Ubuntu Server 42" LCD Full HD-TV via 1080P HDMI None Silverstone Strider 450w 
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