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Originally Posted by DuckieHo;13174390 
....Memory Heirarchy. Computer engineers have figured it out 50 years ago.

Please go take a Computer Architecture 101 course.

The point is that SSDs will never cost the same as a HDDs at a GB/$. However, they do not need to.

(BTW, you are misusing the word "value" from an ecomonics point of view.)


You were argue that SSDs have not dropped in price.

The Vertex 2 was sold by Amazon and Newegg at over $360 over a year ago. This is the retail price of that drive... so what are you attempting to argue.


How come there are dual cores in email machines now? wink.gif



One indicator of "mainsteam" is Apple. They will be shipping more and more of their Macs will SSDs.

Stop trying to insult my intelligence. It's unbecoming, especially for a respected moderator.

I wasn't misusing the word value, I was actually thinking about 2 different things, and a bit sidetracked as well. It was supposed to say "ssds will have to drop to hdds prices.." but you've never made a typo before "You were argue that.." right?

The point is, until they come damn close to rivaling HDDs price per gb, they haven't got a chance in the mainstream market. You're disconnected from the mainstream, that much is for sure.

What have I been trying to argue? That the price hasn't fallen in a year, and is likely to go back up soon. What are you trying to argue? That mainstream users care about I/O performance over price. rolleyes.gif
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Seagate may buy Samsung's hard disk drive business, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Samsung wants as much as $1.5bn for the loss-making unit but may take less than $1bn. We understand Seagate chairman and CEO Stephen Luczo is spending up to three months in the Far East, convenient for talking to Korea-based Samsung.

With Western Digital buying Hitachi GST, Hitachi's hard disk drive (HDD) business, and thereby gaining an an approximate 50 per cent market share by revenue, Seagate lost its leadership position, having a roughly 30 per cent share. A purchase of Samsung would send this towards 40 per cent.
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[WSJ] Samsung Seeks to Unload Hard-Disk-Drive Business


I bloody hope this doesn't happen. I'd rather see Fujitsu or Toshiba buy it instead.
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There goes the Spinpoint quality.
Edited by blackbalt89 - 4/18/11 at 5:37pm
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What have I been trying to argue? That the price hasn't fallen in a year, and is likely to go back up soon. What are you trying to argue? That mainstream users care about I/O performance over price.
The price HAS Fallen in a year.

I bought my first vertex 2 on launch day, for 360 shipped from the egg.
I got my latest one last week (my 3rd total drive) for 200 shipped.

Less than a year, almost 50% price drop.

What makes you think the prices will go up? I see and understand the point duckie is making (and he provides proof and facts to back up his arguments) while you do nothing but bash his thoughts with unsubstantiated statements.
    
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The point is, until they come damn close to rivaling HDDs price per gb, they haven't got a chance in the mainstream market. You're disconnected from the mainstream, that much is for sure.
Do you know what the "Memory Heirarchy" is? If no, then it is pointless to go on.

The thing is... SSD do not have to be the same price as HDDs to go mainstream.

Is RAM the same price per GB as HDDs? No. However, they do not serve the same function as a HDD so therefore do not need to be.


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What have I been trying to argue? That the price hasn't fallen in a year, and is likely to go back up soon. What are you trying to argue? That mainstream users care about I/O performance over price.
Prices have not fallen in year.... but they have! Go look at the charts!

In addition, I have already told you why prices have not moved that much... IMFT 25nm NAND took longer than expected.

I am arguing that you are forming your opinions based on limited information. To be blunt, I know more about SSDs than you.
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What makes you think the prices will go up? I see and understand the point duckie is making (and he provides proof and facts to back up his arguments) while you do nothing but bash his thoughts with unsubstantiated statements.
See: Japan earthquake. There's been news all over OCN about NAND and DRAM prices on the rise, coming to a newegg near you.

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Do you know what the "Memory Heirarchy" is? If no, then it is pointless to go on.
It's clear you're unable to carry on this discussion without ad hominem remarks, so you carry on.
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See: Japan earthquake. There's been news all over OCN about NAND and DRAM prices on the rise, coming to a newegg near you.



It's clear you're unable to carry on this discussion without ad hominem remarks, so you carry on.



This will make it hurt less.
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This will make it hurt less.


Time will tell.
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Not quite.... AMD and ATI are two different markets.

This is the consolidation of a single market.

At one point, there were about a dozen companies building x86 CPUs. Now there are only three and VIA basically doesn't count.

At one point, there were a dozen GPU companies... now there are three that control the market.
Three companies for CPUs? AMD,Intel and third one would be... IBM ?
For GPUs ATI,Nvidia and what is the last one?
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See: Japan earthquake. There's been news all over OCN about NAND and DRAM prices on the rise, coming to a newegg near you.

Temporary price hikes due to the laws of supply and demand. Also due to circumstances outside of human control, not due to anything regarding the underlying technology. Economics dictate that the prices will again fall later on, making your "price hike" nothing more than a temporary lapse in the eventual order of the price demand curve.
    
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