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Stock up on F3's and F4's now!


BTW, can I borrow $1Billion?
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Who are you to judge?


Do you have any knowledge about the logisisitics, R&D, management cost, capital costs, licenscing costs, marketing, customer service, supply chain/distributer, manufacturing, warranty, etc? Most likely no.

Management does. They more than you.... and are probably better businessmen than you.




SSDs will be mainstream in 3 years maximum. Everyone is predicting they will be 2-3 years.

People don't need top performing SSDs anyways as any SSD is a magnitude better than a HDD. In addition, SSD performance is derived mostly from the firmware (software) and controller. The cost of NAND is pretty much fixed so every generation gets faster and cheaper.




See above. What do you know about the Samsung HDD division other than the F3? Do you even know the costs vs sales figures of their HDDs? Also, having the best does not mean best selling. Seagate and WD have better corporate ties and brand recognition.

Companies are always developing new technologies. Winding down a R&D team takes months... unless you just cut them. If you do that, you risk devaluing yourself as you just killed off future value. In addition, you are screwed if you don't sell for awhile.



If you don't know business, please don't judge others who do. If you want to comment on technology, do so... but realize that the technology is only an aspect of a business.
For a person who is ripping on other people for not having the knowledge to have opinions, you sure make some bull claims...

There is ZERO chance that SSD drives will be mainstream in 2-3 years. What you fail to understand are there are very few plants that actually manufacture SSD memory. The cost to create one of these FAB's? 10 Billion dollars. For a market that is ridiculously small right now (compared to mechanical), there is no reason companies without FAB's will be building FAB's within the next 2-3 years. Maybe in the next 10 years.

The FAB's that do exist have no where near the capabilities to provide as many drives as are currently consumed on an annual basis.

So my EDUCATED evaluation from actually working at one of these major HDD manufacturers is to say you sir, are wrong
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RE: SSD's becoming mainstream;
It is happening now. My mainstream is in the server and appliance space. Last year at this time, my customers were researching ssd's and the only reason companies were purchasing them were for testing and evaluation. This year already 30% of my orders include SSD's. For appliances it is much higher (roughly 60%) and is usually the only drive. In most other servers they are the OS drive, with one or more HDD's for data. We are already seeing a trend towards SSD's in most systems by year end.

The consumer space is 2-3 years behind.

For what Ducky is talking about, grandma and grandpa will not need to learn to put data on one drive or the other, the system will be configured so they don't need to make that choice. The OS will already be setup so that the main drive (SSD) is for the OS only and most everything else will be installed on the HDD. This is how most of the servers that use SSD's now are setup. (at least the ones we sell anyway)
Just because there is demand doesn't mean there is supply - the lack of Fabrication plants for SSD memory will be the reason your predictions will be horribly wrong
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And yet, they're the same price they've always been. I.e. 200 bucks or so for 120gb. I'm sorry, but they haven't gotten any cheaper. Faster yes, by miles.
I paid 196€ for my Vertex 64gb on 07/07/2009, or around $260
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Just got a Samsung.. its disappointing they aren't making money... then again they are the cheapest 1tb for the preformance...maybe they should have priced a little higher? Also SSD's are nice i do enjoy having it as a main program and windows 7 boot drive. It just makes it feel more smooth and flow better overall.
Also, something about HDD's they have also got quite a bit faster as well. I have a WD1600JB that i found the other day ran Crystaldiskmark on it random read and writes of 63Mb/s. Much much slower then my Samsung or WD Black which get 120+.
Samsung doesn't make money on their HDD mainly because they don't really make their HDD's. The heads - not theirs. Media - not theirs. HGA - not theirs. Etc Etc. They buy and the more you buy the less profit you make.

Seagate makes their own heads and media (for the most part) and have much higher margins
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No!!!!!! I guess I should buy a few Samsung 1TBs before Seagate takes over.
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Bad news for fans of Samsung.
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With the recent acquisition of Hitachi's HDD biz by WD, this is actually kinda surprising to me. I would think that maybe Samsung could have done better with less branded competition. Maybe Seagate or Toshiba will buy em. Either way, SSD technology will take some time to find its way into laptops and desktops, especially at the mainstream level.
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Just because there is demand doesn't mean there is supply - the lack of Fabrication plants for SSD memory will be the reason your predictions will be horribly wrong
We'll see. So far my demand is going up and supply is keeping pace quite well thank you.
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Stock up on F3's and F4's now!


BTW, can I borrow $1Billion?
I was planning on getting 12x 2TB F4 for a NAS.
I Don't want to get WD greens because they have head parking issues with some controllers (including my areca raid card)

Is it still wise to go for the F4 ?
I mean, If I get failures in a year or two it's not like those would still be on the market anyway. Long run replacability by the same models would be impossible unless I stocked spares right away.

What do you guys advise?
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