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I want to stick with using LGA 775 and wanted to upgrade from the Celeron e3300 and was curious how much of a performance increase would i get?

I only game at 1280x1024 or 1280x720 and I am using x86 win7 and a XFX 5750 which seem to have given my Celeron e3300 a 50% boost in games, or maybe 35% compared to what i was getting when i was using my 9800gt( which perform terrible in win7 )
It all depends on the games you play whether you really need a Quad Core.

What games do you play ?

On the other hand, you current CPU is definitely bottlenecking the GPU because it only has 1MB of L2 cache.

If you are going with the Q8400 and only play games that take advantage of 2 cores, you are only going to be using the equivalent of a Pentium Dual Core E5300 (2.6 Ghz, 2MB of L2 cache, faster FSB though); that's some improvement, but I would personally think twice before spending that kind of money on a new CPU for that level of upgrade.

If you don't need a Quad Core you could consider buying a used Core 2 Duo, either the first Conroes with 4MB of L2 (an E6600, for example), or one of the Wolfdales (45nm) with 6MB of L2. Just so that you have an idea, even the entry level Wolfdale, the E8200, at 2.66 Ghz, beats a Core 2 Duo E7500 at 2.93Ghz. And mind you that the E7500 has 3MB of L2 cache, whereas the Core 2 Quad only has 2Mb of cache per pair of cores. You could try getting a Q9400, which has 6MB of L2, that would be a better deal, but still not great for games that only use 2 cores.

So, if your games are using two cores, I'd go for one of those Dual Cores and do a full upgrade to a new rig next year.

Given that your motherboard might not to very well at overclocking, you should get the best stock performance you buy, instead of wishful thinking on how many Mhz you can get out of a Q8400. It might overclock well and all, but perhaps not with your current mobo. If you need a Quad Core, the L2 cache limitation also applies. Try getting a Q9400 instead.


P.S.: How do you get to have 2,5 Gb of DDR2 RAM on a mobo that only has 2 RAM slots ? You have a 2GB STICK and a 512 MB stick? That is not very adequate. You mobo is only doing dual channel operations with the first 512MB of the 2GB RAM stick and your other 512MB stick. The other 1,5GB of the 2GB stick is working in single channel. That's Intel's flex memory technology working. It's better than single channel, but your configuration is probably not very far off single channel. It won't do marvels, but it would help if you get a 2GB stick. It will max you mobo, give you true Dual Channel, and it's a good time to buy ram, as prices are going to go up in the next weeks.
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WOW very useful information. Thanks. To comment on you said my 5750 is bottlenecking the E3300. Well not sure if i agree , because pretty much all my games which i am playing runs just fine at max at 1280x1024. On another note The only game which is giving me trouble sort of is GTA IV, that is one reason why i wanted a Quad core. I want to play this game at max at 1280x1024, but i cant do that.

I am not sure what i plan to buy, but do you think i should a more up to date Dual core? Maybe one with 6mb, would that allow me to play certain games more smoother along with GTA IV?

On a last note, i may just end up buying a i5-2400 Quad core with turbo boost and a new Mb and some DDR3 memory. Not sure yet, but i have to go out tomorrow and check on some stuff
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My Q8400 serves me well @ 3.5.But hella you aint getting 3.2 on that board! but even then you will see an increase in performance?
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On a last note, i may just end up buying a i5-2400 Quad core with turbo boost and a new Mb and some DDR3 memory. Not sure yet, but i have to go out tomorrow and check on some stuff
This would be your best bet in terms of performance, especially at your current resolution. A SB processor will handle GTA IV much better than a budget LGA775 quad. If you didn't play GTA, I would say go with a used E8400, but since you mentioned that game, SB seems more feasible.

It looks like the Q8400 is going for about $170 atm. For that amount, you can get a board and ram towards a SB build, and the I5-2400 is $189. Yeah, im gonna have to say go sandy bridge with this one. Even if you cheap out and get a dual core, it will be miles ahead of what you have now and will run any game better than what you have now.
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Put it this way, i plan on going out tomorrow and check out on some stuff , if i can't get what i am looking for at a fair deal, i will order everything from newegg friday, the i5 and stuff. Thanks. I will let you know what i get soon, most likely going to skip the 775 quad core. But thanks for the above information Trying to make the best out intel on a budget you know. If the q8400 was like 89 bucks lol, i would grab it, but 169 is kinda too expensive for old hardware.

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WOW very useful information. Thanks. To comment on you said my 5750 is bottlenecking the E3300. Well not sure if i agree , because pretty much all my games which i am playing runs just fine at max at 1280x1024. On another note The only game which is giving me trouble sort of is GTA IV, that is one reason why i wanted a Quad core. I want to play this game at max at 1280x1024, but i cant do that.

I am not sure what i plan to buy, but do you think i should a more up to date Dual core? Maybe one with 6mb, would that allow me to play certain games more smoother along with GTA IV?

On a last note, i may just end up buying a i5-2400 Quad core with turbo boost and a new Mb and some DDR3 memory. Not sure yet, but i have to go out tomorrow and check on some stuff
GTA IV ? Yes, get the Sandy Bridge. You won't regret it! The i5 2400 is a great choice! And if you just want to justify the purchase even more, try playing Metro 2033 with a Dual Core and then with a Quad Core. That game was one of the reasons I upgraded from my previous E8400 to the Q9550. Even at stock speeds (which are lower than the E8400), the difference was staggering.

Oh, by the way, don't expect to be able to max out heavy duty games with that GPU at that resolution, even if you have a top of the line CPU. I had to play Metro 2033 at High Settings (and not Very High) at 1280x800 on my previous GTX460 (still have it, but not in the sig) to get it smooth in all circumstances. GTA IV is also very demanding, and it can even use more than 1GB of VRAM. At 1280x800 (the resolution at which I also play GTA IV), I could max out the GTX460's 1GB VRAM usage without maxing out the details - at 1280x800! And mind you that the HD5750 doesn't have the necessary horsepower to truly unleash 1GB of VRAM. It can certainly take advantage of more than 512MB, but not quite the whole 1GB.

So, don't expect miracles in very demanding games. If you want a decent ATI card for the future, get a Radeon HD6870. If you want Nvidia, get a GTX560ti. Unless you really want to have the best experience in GTA IV, in which case I recommend either a 6950/70 2GB or a GTX480/580 1.5GB. The game can use 13xx MB of VRAM when maxed out, which is even more than the GTX570 has.

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Put it this way, i plan on going out tomorrow and check out on some stuff , if i can't get what i am looking for at a fair deal, i will order everything from newegg friday, the i5 and stuff. Thanks. I will let you know what i get soon, most likely going to skip the 775 quad core. But thanks for the above information Trying to make the best out intel on a budget you know. If the q8400 was like 89 bucks lol, i would grab it, but 169 is kinda too expensive for old hardware.

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Your reasoning is sound. At this time in the calendar, it's either a very good deal on a 775 CPU, or Sandy Bridge. The revised motherboards are here; the prices of current stock are not yet going up because of component shortage (Japan related), so now is the right time to buy a PC this year.
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Hey guys, I already mention before that i only game at 1280x1024 or 1280x720 with everything max out in the game and in the CCC, well almost in the CCC. I force AAx2 with all other options to max.. Anyways, my Celeron e3300 with the 5750 plays games just fine, only game which i have trouble playing is GTA IV.

So instead of buying an i5, + which is going to cost me about 300 or 200 to what i want, or buying a Q8400 that cost 169, i am buying tomorrow a old Quad core, Q6600 for only 50 bucks. Might as well pick up a 6850 too. I just wanted a simple upgrade for my Intel Build. I will build my AMD system with newer hardcore later.

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Hey guys, I already mention before that i only game at 1280x1024 or 1280x720 with everything max out in the game and in the CCC, well almost in the CCC. I force AAx2 with all other options to max.. Anyways, my Celeron e3300 with the 5750 plays games just fine, only game which i have trouble playing is GTA IV.

So instead of buying an i5, + which is going to cost me about 300 or 200 to what i want, or buying a Q8400 that cost 169, i am buying tomorrow a old Quad core, Q6600 for only 50 bucks. Might as well pick up a 6850 too. I just wanted a simple upgrade for my Intel Build. I will build my AMD system with newer hardcore later.

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Q6600 is a great CPU even today and GTA 4 is a CPU dependent game from what I read.
    
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Hey guys, I already mention before that i only game at 1280x1024 or 1280x720 with everything max out in the game and in the CCC, well almost in the CCC. I force AAx2 with all other options to max.. Anyways, my Celeron e3300 with the 5750 plays games just fine, only game which i have trouble playing is GTA IV.

So instead of buying an i5, + which is going to cost me about 300 or 200 to what i want, or buying a Q8400 that cost 169, i am buying tomorrow a old Quad core, Q6600 for only 50 bucks. Might as well pick up a 6850 too. I just wanted a simple upgrade for my Intel Build. I will build my AMD system with newer hardcore later.

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yea thanks. For 50 bucks you can't beat that just for a simple upgrade over the Celeron e3300. And buying a 6850 would help i am sure. On another note, i will start building my AMD system in 2 months. One thing i like about AMD, i can build a beast and still build one under 500 bucks, which i am going for. Going to buy a 550ti( the one with 1000 core clock ) to go along with it tho. Anyways, i will let you guys know how well it works tomorrow night.

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