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Over the past week, I've noticed a significant lag when I Alt+Tab between a fullscreen app and my Desktop, or even when I Alt+Enter between windowed and fullscreen mode. At first I thought it was just because the app was a graphically intensive game like Metro 2033 or something, but when it started happening with DosBox games and GameMaker and MMF indie games, I became concerned. All I can offer right now are my system specs, since I wouldn't know what software, specifically, would cause this. You'd have to ask.

AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE (RB-C2)
MSI 790FX-GD70 (MS-7577) w/Firmware v1.17
8GB DDR3 RAM (Two 2x2GB Corsair XMS3)
Gigabyte Radeon HD5870 SOC (SuperOverClocked) w/latest ATi Catalyst software
Windows 7 x64 w/SP1 and latest updates
Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware (PRO)
Microsoft Security Essentials (It says latest Virus and Spyware definitions, but I don't know if that means it also has the latest program version. I'd assume it does that automatically with Windows Update.)
Process Lasso (Follow the link for detailed info. It's basically a program that restrains CPU intensive processes that don't need to be CPU intensive. It's never caused a lag like this before, and I haven't meddled with any of its settings since I installed it, so I'd count it out.)
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Most people get this lag, it's normal. I too get it with most 3d applications in full screen.
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I can understand graphically intensive games. I don't understand <1MB Flash games lagging between windowed and fullscreen modes.
    
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Originally Posted by predcon;13180532 
I can understand graphically intensive games. I don't understand <1MB Flash games lagging between windowed and fullscreen modes.

What drivers are you using? Also i know this sounds strange but try to disable shadows under window boxes and mouse pointer. See if that helps.
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Drivers for what? My video card? I posted that in the OP. I know about extraneous mouse animations and Aero transparency settings, and I've always had them all turned off, simply because I prefer the Zen aesthetic of the "Classic" settings. I also have, in the "Advanced Systems Settings" under "Performance", unticked all boxes. No window animations, no scrolling of the Taskbar, nothing.
    
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Originally Posted by predcon;13181371 
Drivers for what? My video card? I posted that in the OP. I know about extraneous mouse animations and Aero transparency settings, and I've always had them all turned off, simply because I prefer the Zen aesthetic of the "Classic" settings. I also have, in the "Advanced Systems Settings" under "Performance", unticked all boxes. No window animations, no scrolling of the Taskbar, nothing.

No you just said "latest Drivers". So that's either 11.3 or the 11.4 Beta. May i suggest trying the 11.2 drivers? Also follow my uninstall guide found in my sig.
here is link for 11.2
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/previous/11/Pages/radeon.aspx?os=Windows Vista - 64-Bit Edition&rev=11.2

Edit : also make sure you have latest flash and java installed. trust me. it could fix the issue.
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Sorry, that was rude. Right then, 11.3. I would try downgrading, except that Steam would automatically upgrade it again. On top of that, I have a strict daily transfer cap, which Steam would exceed just downloading the same driver package over an over again (actually, for a while, it had been downloading the same one over and over, because for some reason it didn't recognize I had 11.3 installed).

Java and Flash are up-to-date (latest stable releases), but I don't think they're what's causing the problem, since it's not just Java and Flash apps that are lagging. It's also DosBox and even almost-modern apps (Diablo II, etc).

I hadn't mentioned it before because it completely slipped my mind, but on the advice of a Corsair Tech Support agent, I underclocked my RAM modules from 1333MHz to 1066MHz, but upped the voltage to 1.65V. I've also set the DC Mode to "Ganged - 128 bit".
    
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Increasing the Voltage on RAM can cause harm. I would run the RAM as close to stock speed/volts as you can.
btw here is REP for your hard work on fixing the issue so far. Also, look in steam setting to try and deactivate this driver update feature.
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I only increased the voltage (from 1.50V to 1.65V) when advised to do so by a Corsair Tech Support agent. He said it would compensate for underclocking all four modules. The only reason I'd had to underclock them was because I was using two (matching, mind you) 2x2GB kits, and not one 4x2GB kit, or something like that.

Unfortunately, Valve has not yet implemented a simple "Disable automatic updates" option in the Steam client. I've been nagging them for months to a year about it, but haven't heard a "we're working on it", or even a flat out "no". Same goes for a download scheduler, so I can set my new purchases to download in the middle of the night when my transfer cap has entered what my ISP calls the "Free 'o Clock Block".

But I dilute.

After reading up a bit on what GANGED and UNGANGED DC Modes are, I decided to switch back to UNGANGED/64-bit mode, restricting each core to one RAM module. I immediately noticed a faster Windows startup time, and after testing a few fullscreen apps (TES: Oblivion, a MMF game, and Commander Keen on DOSBox), I found that the switch time went from ~18 seconds to almost one second. I'm going to trying doing stuff again in the morning, just to see if the faster speeds weren't only the results of the capacitors in the RAM modules and mobo discharging after shutting down and restarting (I had to reset the CMOS when I switched to UNGANGED. I don't know why). I'll report back later with results.
    
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Originally Posted by predcon;13182664 
I only increased the voltage (from 1.50V to 1.65V) when advised to do so by a Corsair Tech Support agent. He said it would compensate for underclocking all four modules. The only reason I'd had to underclock them was because I was using two (matching, mind you) 2x2GB kits, and not one 4x2GB kit, or something like that.

Unfortunately, Valve has not yet implemented a simple "Disable automatic updates" option in the Steam client. I've been nagging them for months to a year about it, but haven't heard a "we're working on it", or even a flat out "no". Same goes for a download scheduler, so I can set my new purchases to download in the middle of the night when my transfer cap has entered what my ISP calls the "Free 'o Clock Block".

But I dilute.

After reading up a bit on what GANGED and UNGANGED DC Modes are, I decided to switch back to UNGANGED/64-bit mode, restricting each core to one RAM module. I immediately noticed a faster Windows startup time, and after testing a few fullscreen apps (TES: Oblivion, a MMF game, and Commander Keen on DOSBox), I found that the switch time went from ~18 seconds to almost one second. I'm going to trying doing stuff again in the morning, just to see if the faster speeds weren't only the results of the capacitors in the RAM modules and mobo discharging after shutting down and restarting (I had to reset the CMOS when I switched to UNGANGED. I don't know why). I'll report back later with results.

Kepp up the word work. You may be onto something.
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