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post #11 of 39
Listen to Juano.
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ASUS would get my vote here..love them as a company..I trust their service more and their DC non reference PCBs cards have been some of the best in recent history..beefing up the cards for the heavy OCers
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Originally Posted by Mikecdm View Post
It makes a difference when used for it's intended purpose. Putting a 580 lightning in some small box for an mATX rig is defeating the purpose of the card.
I disagree. It will be in an FT03 which is probably the nicest MATX case I have ever seen as far as air cooling.

I do generally like Asus too...
Edited by Segovax - 4/18/11 at 7:06pm
post #14 of 39
I would go with the Lightning.
The DCII is a great card but not really 'designed' for OC like the Lightning, and I do believe Lightning have better VRM and other components. I think TwinFrozr III have a solid metal plate for VRM and RAM cooling, and DCII's VRM cooling kinda sucks...

The cooler on Asus is better than TwinFrozr II, but is beaten by TF III.

If you are planning on putting it under water or getting something like a Thermalright Shaman, then the cooler doesn't really matter...
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Maybe I should have phrased it differently. Ambient cooling on a lightning is a waste. But then again, for $30 more then reference, why not.
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I would not say that sucks at all, I actually would prefer this VRM cooling to MSI's because this actually has fins that are more than 1mm tall, the MSI's VRM cooling is little more than a contact plate, not much better than you would get from the reference 580 VRM cooling. The Asus also has a themal pad over the back of the VRMs that contact the backplate to get a little more heat away that way. Of course if I understand correctly because MSI are using so many powerphases and VRMs the heat would be better spread out between them all.

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Maybe I should have phrased it differently. Ambient cooling on a lightning is a waste. But then again, for $30 more then reference, why not.
Maybe one more try. Do you mean air cooling?
Edited by juano - 4/18/11 at 7:13pm
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post #17 of 39
mmmm lightning. You're getting a binned 580 with incredible VRM upgrades and cooling, a gorgeous cooler, and fantastic MSI customer service for 30$ more then reference? yes plx
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The Asus has top spot for highest clocks,although it has been out longer and that was on LN2 where the 3 slot cooler doesn't matter.The Lightning is coming right behind it though.For gaming in a case,I would take the MSI hands down.For benching I might take the Asus.
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I would not say that sucks at all, I actually would prefer this VRM cooling to MSI's because this actually has fins that are more than 1mm tall, the MSI's VRM cooling is little more than a contact plate, not much better than you would get from the reference 580 VRM cooling. The Asus also has a themal pad over the back of the VRMs that contact the backplate to get a little more heat away that way. Of course if I understand correctly because MSI are using so many powerphases and VRMs the heat would be better spread out between them all.


Maybe one more try. Do you mean air cooling?
I must remembered it wrong then, probably got my memory mixed up with some other DirectCU cards which have poor VRM cooling. Asus did do a decent job on the 580 DCII, much more solid fins compared to some other DCII cards.

However, according to Guru3D review the Lightning is cooler compared to DCII
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The Asus has top spot for highest clocks,although it has been out longer and that was on LN2 where the 3 slot cooler doesn't matter.The Lightning is coming right behind it though.For gaming in a case,I would take the MSI hands down.For benching I might take the Asus.
This is a little confusing to me, because I would actually choose the opposite. The Asus will be quieter on air for normal gaming because of it's better cooler, but I would think that when extreme cooling or max super overvolting comes into play like it would for benching that the MSI's extra powerphases would come into play. I'm actually surprised that the Asus achieved higher clocks than MSI. Any other reasons you would prefer the louder card for gaming and the card with less powerphases for benching?
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