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Maybe one more try. Do you mean air cooling?
Nope, that card is designed for sub zero benching.
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I must remembered it wrong then, probably got my memory mixed up with some other DirectCU cards which have poor VRM cooling. Asus did do a decent job on the 580 DCII, much more solid fins compared to some other DCII cards.

However, according to Guru3D review the Lightning is cooler compared to DCII
Yea Asus has been doing a very good job of putting VRM sinks on everything that needs it since the 460, but you may be right other lower end cards may not have quite as beefy sinks as the DCII 570/580 do but I would still not say that they would be inadequate for the job. Lower end cards that draw less power don't require such beefy VRM sinks.

The MSI have beaten the Asus on temps at max fan speed or something like that (even that I have a hard time believing, the cooling on the Asus is simply top notch) but compare them both at the same noise level and you will have a different story. The DCII is one of the quietest cards at load at right now, bar none, and it still provides excellent temps while being nearly silent.
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post #23 of 39
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Nope, that card is designed for sub zero benching.
oh okay, then in that case I agree 100%.
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post #24 of 39
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I would not say that sucks at all, I actually would prefer this VRM cooling to MSI's because this actually has fins that are more than 1mm tall, the MSI's VRM cooling is little more than a contact plate, not much better than you would get from the reference 580 VRM cooling. The Asus also has a themal pad over the back of the VRMs that contact the backplate to get a little more heat away that way. Of course if I understand correctly because MSI are using so many powerphases and VRMs the heat would be better spread out between them all.


Maybe one more try. Do you mean air cooling?
Agreed juano. At first I was skeptical when I saw the pics of that sink. When the card arrived and I got to see how huge that vrm sink actually is, my worries were levitated.

I cant speak for the lightning but I can heartedly recommend the DCUII 580 out of personal experience with it this last week. Noise is a big factor for me, and this one has the least noisy but still effective pre-mounted cooler I have seen so far (and thats quite a stretch by now).

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This is a little confusing to me, because I would actually choose the opposite. The Asus will be quieter on air for normal gaming because of it's better cooler, but I would think that when extreme cooling or max super overvolting comes into play like it would for benching that the MSI's extra powerphases would come into play. I'm actually surprised that the Asus achieved higher clocks than MSI. Any other reasons you would prefer the louder card for gaming and the card with less powerphases for benching?
First of all,who says the Asus is quieter and cooler? Second of all,even if it is,it takes up 3 slots.Lastly,in serious benching the coolers come off and a waterblock or LN2 pot is installed.As I also mentioned,the Asus has been out longer,so more people have had a chance to tweak them.The MSI just came out,so we really don't know how well they will compare on average.The Asus has been proven to hit 1400+ core speeds.
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post #26 of 39
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Originally Posted by Mikecdm View Post
Nope, that card is designed for sub zero benching.
Understood now, thanks for your input.

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Originally Posted by Chris Ihao View Post
Agreed juano. At first I was skeptical when I saw the pics of that sink. When the card arrived and I got to see how huge that vrm sink actually is, my worries were levitated.

I cant speak for the lightning but I can heartedly recommend the DCUII 580 out of personal experience with it this last week. Noise is a big factor for me, and this one has the least noisy but still effective pre-mounted cooler I have seen so far (and thats quite a stretch by now).

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LOL you remembered! I was just teasing! I like you, good sense of humor.


Reps all around thanks for all the discussion/help regarding this issue!
Edited by Segovax - 4/18/11 at 7:42pm
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First of all,who says the Asus is quieter and cooler? Second of all,even if it is,it takes up 3 slots.Lastly,in serious benching the coolers come off and a waterblock or LN2 pot is installed.As I also mentioned,the Asus has been out longer,so more people have had a chance to tweak them.The MSI just came out,so we really don't know how well they will compare on average.The Asus has been proven to hit 1400+ core speeds.
Well TPU says that the DCII is one of the quietest cards on the market right now but of course they haven't done a review of the lightning yet so doesn't mean too much. I am basing my guesstimate that the DCII will be quieter on both my experience with my DCII 570, and reviews such as the TPU one linked above that show just how quiet it is, and basing the noise levels of the lightning mostly on this video review of it where you can hear it running. That fact alone (that you can hear it running) makes me fairly confident in saying the DCII is quieter, I actually would say it's not just quieter but significantly quieter. The reviewer in the video does also mention that it isn't exactly quiet, all that and also the basic physics of it, the Asus has more space to dissipate the heat in, it's aluminum fins take up a whole slot of their own, with the fans then on top of them, on the MSI the fins have to be hollowed out to make room for the fans.

EDIT: Also how about this, the Asus 580 is 30 db according to TPU whereas the 6970 Lightning (same cooler but on a cooler, less power hungry card) is 33db. Temps between the two cards are 1 degree advantage to the MSI (71 Asus, 70 MSI) but again thats comparing apples to oranges because the 6970 is a less power hungry card and the Asus still wins. TPU also mention about the Lightning that "Temperatures are low in all tests, given the increased fan noise under load I think a better choice would have been a few °C more under load and less fan noise." whereas for the DCII they mention "Even though the card is super quiet, temperatures are still low. This means that there should be decent headroom for heavy overclocking with voltage increase or fan speed reduction for less noise." If that doesn't prove how quiet it is I don't know what will but I'm telling you based on my firsthand experience with it, the darn thing is silent.




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... my worries were levitated...
Your worries began to fly?!?!?
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ASUS all the way baby
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MSI GTX 580 if SLi, ASUS Direct CU II if not. Both are great cards, both cool amazingly.. they're pretty much equal, just comes down to brand. I prefer the 580 because I find the Direct CU II extremely bulky looking, and also I wanted to SLi and 2 Direct CU's are huge.
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Your worries began to fly?!?!?
Yeah. They basically flew so high I lost track of them. The word I was looking for was alleviated but I didnt bother correcting at the time as levitated was strangely fitting in some sense. Hihi.

@Segovax: Thanks man. Thats very kind of you to say.
    
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