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post #31 of 76
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Originally Posted by Versa;13190321 
Bolded to you. Firmware =/ product.

2 different things. He can no longer mod a ps3, he can own one. you are getting them confused.
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post #32 of 76
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Originally Posted by Zinxe;13190346 
Nothing that required reverse engineering. =)


It voids warranty agreements and doesn't infringe copyrights or require reverse engineering. Matter of a fact, I use the tools provided by AMD and do not break any terms that I agreed to. Either way, that is hardware, not software.


Android is open source. Fail.jpg.

Well, I'm not sure how I am on a high horse. I believe you, or someone who cries just like you, have accused me of taking a stroll on my massive horse before. Understanding what I agree to and acting reasonable doesn't make me all high and mighty. Anyone who holds to their side of an agreement must act all high and mighty, according to you. Pathetic. I hate when people feel inferior when others comprehend rationality and they don't like you.
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It's forever going to be a debate of
1) it's the law, and he broke it
and
2) the legitimacy of the law or the application of the law.

Remember laws are meant to be interpreted. Copyright/DMCA laws (or moreso the ways in which they're enforced) are certainly questionable. It's quite clear the the DMCA conflicts with Fair Use provisions of copyright law, so which one wins?

Edit: And you (two) kids, go play nice!
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post #33 of 76
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Originally Posted by bbaseballboy1234;13189142 
who cares about george hotz. hes old news imo

I do understand he won and had money left over but come on, he's old news.

You typed this while wearing black frame glasses with no lenses and drinking a pbr.
post #34 of 76
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Originally Posted by Xero.;13190055 
That would be like Google suing Cyanogen for modding Android VERY extensively.

Actually, that is NOTHING like this, at all, whatsoever. Google's Anrdoid Platform is Open Source. And, if you knew anything about anything, Cyanogen DID receive a Cease and Desist letter from Google about including proprietary G-Apps WITH their ROMs.

Key word there is proprietary. Just like Sony's OS is proprietary. Mod the hardware all you want, the software cannot be reverse engineered. Sure, you'll break your warranty by modding the hardware, but you have every right to do so. Not so with the software.

Sorry you've failed.
post #35 of 76
Wow, so much negative feedback. This man provides you all with FREE SERVICES. Thanks to him, you have the freedom to use your PS3 as you please. Say "thank you George" and ****.
post #36 of 76
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Originally Posted by XNine;13190424 
Actually, that is NOTHING like this, at all, whatsoever. Google's Anrdoid Platform is Open Source. And, if you knew anything about anything, Cyanogen DID receive a Cease and Desist letter from Google about including proprietary G-Apps WITH their ROMs.

Key word there is proprietary. Just like Sony's OS is proprietary. Mod the hardware all you want, the software cannot be reverse engineered. Sure, you'll break your warranty by modding the hardware, but you have every right to do so. Not so with the software.

Sorry you've failed.

the problem here is with the iphone jailbreak Proprietary means nothing anymore. For right now, yes, it is limited to phones, but that is just a limitation in the law right now.

I am surprised that people have not made this jump yet. It is just like Windows OS, it is a proprietary OS yet people on overclock.net are always talking about how they removed features, stripped the OS down for a Benchmark OS...its the same thing...its Illegal yet its allowed on overclock.net because of ignorance.

Once one thing is legalized(hacking the proprietary OS of the iphone), its just a matter of time before others are added to the list. AND i bet, somewhere there is a lawsuit that is trying to get the ps3 added to the legal list.
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I don't think he's doing anything for android, only for iphone / ps3.

Therefore he matters not.
post #38 of 76
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I don't think he's doing anything for android, only for iphone / ps3.

Therefore he matters not.

thats because there is nothing to "hack" on the android os. its open therefore there are thousands doing it.
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post #39 of 76
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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer;13190513 
the problem here is with the iphone jailbreak Proprietary means nothing anymore. For right now, yes, it is limited to phones, but that is just a limitation in the law right now.

I am surprised that people have not made this jump yet. It is just like Windows OS, it is a proprietary OS yet people on overclock.net are always talking about how they removed features, stripped the OS down for a Benchmark OS...its the same thing...its Illegal yet its allowed on overclock.net because of ignorance.

Once one thing is legalized(hacking the proprietary OS of the iphone), its just a matter of time before others are added to the list. AND i bet, somewhere there is a lawsuit that is trying to get the ps3 added to the legal list.

Well, technically, you ARE correct, however the law is the law as it stands right now. I don't disagree that the DMCA is filled with holes (just like many laws), however this suit was taken care of according to how the law stands right now.

There's one major difference with the PS3 hack versus an iPhone hack, however. With the iPhone, you have access only to your phone and your service. With a PS3, you not only have access to your PS3, but the PSN network, which, if you recall, there were numerous reports of hacking/cheating skyrocketing on PSN after this hack was released.
post #40 of 76
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Originally Posted by XNine;13190578 
Well, technically, you ARE correct, however the law is the law as it stands right now. I don't disagree that the DMCA is filled with holes (just like many laws), however this suit was taken care of according to how the law stands right now.

There's one major difference with the PS3 hack versus an iPhone hack, however. With the iPhone, you have access only to your phone and your service. With a PS3, you not only have access to your PS3, but the PSN network, which, if you recall, there were numerous reports of hacking/cheating skyrocketing on PSN after this hack was released.

you are also correct, but you forget. Two of the biggest problems that hacking the iPhone caused was 1, being able to get any game free on iTunes(huge theft problem) and 2, being able to use your phone as a modem(stealing $ from att tethering service) and yet, even with those known problems(and really, those are the only reason people jailbreak) it was legalized. Talking about cheating on the PSN is big, but theft of thousands of $ worth of charges to apple and att are completely different.

My point is, if apple/att got squashed in the lawsuit about jailbreak, when they had a legitimate complaint as to what the jailbreak would be used for. Jail-breaking your ps3 and using it to cheat in online games sounds like a breeze to most lawyers.

In my view, this settlement was a HUGE win for Geo. It was basically a slap on the hand saying..."please dont do it again, leave us alone" and one and done.
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