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Only for non-demanding titles. If I can break 1.5GB usage at 1440p using only 4xAA, 1.5 is definitely not enough for 1600p, "maxing AA whenever possible" as the OP put it.

Edit:

Speaking of which, I just booted up Metro for the first time.

Highest settings available, but only using AAA I broke 1.4GB in the first scene...

I'm sad now. I guess the truth is out there. 1440p Metro AAA eating 1.4GB.... Vega and you guys are right.

Well, I guess i'll have quite a bit consider before dropping the dime on the monitor.
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so, a single card can do 1080p fine, but any higher res needs two cards pretty much and 2GB vram at least?
     
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Like I say VG, the only time I've ever run out of vram on what are actually 'playable settings' at 1920x1200 res is on Call of Pripyat with the Complete Mod. I don't think that the 'max playable settings' on 570's in SLI are all that different from my rig, so I think I can safely say that vram capacity at 1920 and below is not really a concern with 1280MB.

I might be able to push Metro to run out of vram if I totally maxed it out, but I prefer not to use 4xMSAA anyways. Performance teeters exactly on the brink of playability without it (mins in the toughest sections are around 30 fps w/o it), and it's a very demanding setting regardless of whether it makes you run out of vram or not.

Also, it's not like you hit 1280MB of vram usage and performance instantly tanks. There's a bit of headroom involved, depending on the game and how efficiently the driver is able to do caching on it so that the excess vram usage gets 'hidden'.
    
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Well Brett, thanks for your valued feedback once again. I've been contemplating on it, and well, over the past few days, have been watching HD movies on my Toshiba 47" Full HD LCD TV in the living room, and the size thing is making me itch...

So that Dell might be coming sooner (or maybe within the hour of my salary credited). If I got that Dell 30 incher 2560x1600, adding another GTX 570 SC - and forgetting about AA with maybe running 2x or 4x if my OSD shows vram usage giving me headroom (but of course all other settings maxed out) - would you recommend it?

Buying 1 more card is way easier than selling 1 and buying 2 more. What's your take on this? My objectives aren't as strict, but maximum graphics setting (including physx) but disregarding AA settings (lets just say 2x a bare minimum preference, and AAA only if im running metro/ other stupid unoptimized resource hogs *cough*crysis*cough*)
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You are welcome vg.

You want to know my honest assessment, all things considered, if I was in your shoes and planning to get a 30" monitor? I would probably sell the 570, buy two 6950 2GB cards, flash them to 6970's, and call it a day.

My next choice after that would be to sell the 570 and get 2 x GTX560 2GB cards.

But that's because I'm the kind of person that gets annoyed about stuff like having $700 invested in gfx cards, and another, what, $800 for a monitor? ... and having to worry about compromises due to a piddly thing like a lack of appropriate amount of vram.

Honestly I think two 570's will perform admirably at 2560x1600 a vast majority of the time, and you'll be able to do at least 2xAA on like 98% of all games. It's not going to suck in any way.

But I'm just saying, if it were me ... I know I'd get bugged at some point down the line by the existence of this limitation, and end up regretting that I didn't just 'deal' with selling my 570 and getting the gpu setup that was really most appropriate for my resolution, esp. since either setup I described above will SAVE money vs. buying another 570 (assuming of course you sell your 570 for a decent price, which should be easy).

If you're NOT like me (which is probably best) ... get another 570
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Well Brett, thanks for your valued feedback once again. I've been contemplating on it, and well, over the past few days, have been watching HD movies on my Toshiba 47" Full HD LCD TV in the living room, and the size thing is making me itch...

So that Dell might be coming sooner (or maybe within the hour of my salary credited). If I got that Dell 30 incher 2560x1600, adding another GTX 570 SC - and forgetting about AA with maybe running 2x or 4x if my OSD shows vram usage giving me headroom (but of course all other settings maxed out) - would you recommend it?

Buying 1 more card is way easier than selling 1 and buying 2 more. What's your take on this? My objectives aren't as strict, but maximum graphics setting (including physx) but disregarding AA settings (lets just say 2x a bare minimum preference, and AAA only if im running metro/ other stupid unoptimized resource hogs *cough*crysis*cough*)
Personally, I'd sell the 570 while it still has high market value and grab a 2GB or higher card setup. Even if you can get by with low/no AA for the time being, you don't leave yourself much headroom for future titles. Looking at the footage of BF3 I'd be surprised if it isn't a massive resource hog.

If you would rather grab a second 570 though, you may want to consider the U2711 over the U3011. Its lower res will be slightly easier on your cards AND it has a finer dot pitch than almost any other consumer grade panel (including the U3011). So going without AA is slightly less painful.
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Okay, let's bring out the numbers here. If I had as much money to pay for my Yamaha R1 in cash, I would have obviously thrown a heap just to get me my U3011 with 2x GTX580 3GBs no questions asked, and probably gotten a 2600K instead of my 2500K for kicks.

Current currency conversion off xe.com from US Dollar to Singapore Dollar is 1 USD = SGD $ 1.233

I bought my EVGA GTX 570 SC for S$569 = US$461.

The EVGA 1.5GB GTX 580 sells for S$759 = US$615 and the Superclocked goes for S$789 = US$639

The Palit 3GB GTX 580 sells for S$779 = US$631. EVGA is naturally more expensive cuz of the freebies, 3D Mark 11 Advanced etc etc and it's far more Rare here in Singapore.

The U3011 costs S$1499 = US$1215 off dell's website and the U2711 costs S$949 = US$769.


The cheapest 2GB 6950 card is the XFX 2GB 6950 @ S$379 = US$315. I haven't followed AMD cards much, so brand selection of the 6950 cards is not a strong area of mine. I don't know which ones are reference designs, or which ones can be BIOS flashed into 6970s.

I'm not too keen on pursuing the AMD route in giving up Physx and also I'm not too knowledgeable in those branded cards. Call me lazy, but I'm not too keen on venturing into that realm because I've always based my interest on the best performers, and I chose the 570 because of its great all round performance at a marginal cost (as you can see from the price comparison above of the 570 with the 580s).

Now that the numbers are there, which setups you think would be best? I'm also quite set on the U3011 cuz I'd prolly just put it on credit, and Dell's got an interest fee payment plan that'll work quite nicely for me, whereas I'd have to fork out the cash upfront for the U2711 (which I could do, but I guess my cashflow wouldn't take too much of a beating with the 30 incher).
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About AMD, reference brand doesn't matter that much. Its more about RMA where you live. If they are going to be at stock cooler, it doesn't really matter.

I don't know how much you can sell your 570, but if you get 400$ on it, you can are looking at paying 1445$ for a U3011 and two 6950 2GB, which I think is the best route if you are money pressed.

A 2GB card is more than enough for 1600p, and two of those will give you more than you need in terms of maxing out AA, especially if you unlock them to 6970.

If you really can't live without physx, get a second 570 and the U3011, which will set you back by 1676$.
4 or 8 MSAA is more than possible in almost every game, which means you will have no issues to compromise anything (well, maybe except in metro 2033).

Both options, I think, are the best and the cheapest.



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Eesh, some of those overseas prices are rough. Although the monitor prices look about right. That price on the U27 for you is actually less than I paid. Also the price on the Palit 580 is roughly what it sells for here:



The U3011 and U2711 are both FANTASTIC screens. I was just suggesting the 27 because it's a little more forgiving with zero AA and a little less demanding of extra VRAM.

If you're set on the U30 though and trying to keep costs reasonable, grabbing a 2nd 570 is probably the most prudent course. You'll have to turn down the AA in a few titles, but on a 30 inch H-IPS panel everything will still look amazing
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personally I would just buy 2x24" lcd's for around $400 US (for both) and then crossfire or SLI. It seems your fairly set on single monitor though.. just my 2c.
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