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So, yesterday I posted a question asking about 560 ti SLI with my power supply. Thanks for everyone's help. Now I'm back.

I've been thinking about it. I've been wanting for awhile to upgrade my H70 to a full custom water loop. If I were to do that, I would only want to do so if I added the GPU to the loop (plus, the 560 ti fans @ 80% are a bit loud for me...not to mention the H70.)

So, maybe a GTX 580 would be better than the GTX 560s in SLI?

This card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-601-_-Product is quite pricey. But, it comes with a water block, which would seem to be a nice deal. And it only takes up 1 slot.

My question is, would this be a better idea, all things considered than the 560 Tis in SLI? I have yet to see a block for the 560 Ti, and I've never been too excited about taking

So, what would you recommend? SLI 560 ti or 580?

My considerations:
1.) Cost
2.) Heat creation (important)
3.) Noise (biggie for me)
4.) Folding
5.) Games

I run a dual monitor set-up -- so, I'm unclear of the affect that SLI would have with that (be better/worse).

(ETA: I already own one 560 Ti. I'd sell it if I went through with the 580. Just a point to consider.)
    
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I would sell the 560, get a 580, that way you have the possibility later down the road to get a second 580.
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So, yesterday I posted a question asking about 560 ti SLI with my power supply. Thanks for everyone's help. Now I'm back.

I've been thinking about it. I've been wanting for awhile to upgrade my H70 to a full custom water loop. If I were to do that, I would only want to do so if I added the GPU to the loop (plus, the 560 ti fans @ 80% are a bit loud for me...not to mention the H70.)

So, maybe a GTX 580 would be better than the GTX 560s in SLI?

This card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-601-_-Product is quite pricey. But, it comes with a water block, which would seem to be a nice deal. And it only takes up 1 slot.

My question is, would this be a better idea, all things considered than the 560 Tis in SLI? I have yet to see a block for the 560 Ti, and I've never been too excited about taking

So, what would you recommend? SLI 560 ti or 580?

My considerations:
1.) Cost
2.) Heat creation (important)
3.) Noise (biggie for me)
4.) Folding
5.) Games

I run a dual monitor set-up -- so, I'm unclear of the affect that SLI would have with that (be better/worse).

(ETA: I already own one 560 Ti. I'd sell it if I went through with the 580. Just a point to consider.)
Get a 580 and water cool it as well, much more satisfying.
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it all depends on what you want man.

watercooled 580 for quietness/ efficiency yeah

two 560's beat a 580 tho, especially overclocked...so if you want performance per dollar now, do that

i'm not 100% sure but i think sli can be done on 3 monitors, or one...i don't think it can do two (cuz then your crosshairs would be a bezel...lol) but that's the same with one 580 too...

as far as liquid goes getting a rasa 360 kit will make you very happy...wish i did that instead of get the 240 >.>

as far as a personal opinion is concerned, i'd say get a second 560 so you dont have to hassle with selling your current one, and get the immediate satisfaction of higher fps.

also, evga 580 hydrocopper=way too freakin expensive, get another reference card and get a block for around 100 bucks...total comes out to like 570 or 600, not 700
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You guys are fantastic. Yeah, I'm basically trying to justify the higher cost.

What is important to me is that the system is 1.) cool, 2.) quiet, and 3.) somewhat upgradeable in the future. I know it's odd but the big thing about Watercooling that attracts me is the possibility of quiet and cool (as opposed to overall overclockability). A GPU block (vs those whiney loud GPU stock fans) and overall sound level are very attractive.

I think the 580 is better because, in the long run, it'll be cheaper/easier (performance-wise) to get another 580 when the price goes down, and add it to the loop versus selling the two 560s down the road and replacing them with a 670 (or whatever NVIDIA comes out with next lol.)

And, of course, I've yet to even see a 560 Ti block -- so, yeah.

Note: I'm sitting here with my wife next to me. My laptop monitor is tilted away from her lol.
    
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I think the 580 would be better for you as well, although I'd like to see what the PPD of 2 560's would be in comparison. But that's strictly for the short term folding and in the long run you can add another 580, plus not all games have support for/react well to SLI.
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it all depends on what you want man.

as far as liquid goes getting a rasa 360 kit will make you very happy...wish i did that instead of get the 240 >.>
Yeah, haha. I wished I had listened to this forum's recommendation when I got the H70. The overwhelming response was, "Just get the RASA kit. You'll want a custom loop two weeks later." Funny thing...was...I did want a custom loop a few weeks later lol.

You're probably right about the block. I'd basically be spending $100 for the hassle (and it IS a hassle) of removing the stock fans and sink. I'm not sure if that is worth $100 (definitely worth something, just not that much.) Reference blocks are about $100 on frozen CPU.

[Edit: So the price for the block + card + accoutrements = ~$630 versus the $700 for the EVGA pre-assembled card/block.]
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Two GTX560s ~ two 5870s > 5970 > GTX580

So far, the GTX580 generally performs about 10% worse than the 2xGTX560...although better drives will allow 2zxGTX560s to scale much better in the future.

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Yeah, haha. I wished I had listened to this forum's recommendation when I got the H70. The overwhelming response was, "Just get the RASA kit. You'll want a custom loop two weeks later." Funny thing...was...I did want a custom loop a few weeks later lol.

You're probably right about the block. I'd basically be spending $100 for the hassle (and it IS a hassle) of removing the stock fans and sink. I'm not sure if that is worth $100 (definitely worth something, just not that much.) Reference blocks are about $100 on frozen CPU.

[Edit: So the price for the block + card + accoutrements = ~$630 versus the $700 for the EVGA pre-assembled card/block.]
well they have gtx 560 blocks as well for 110 i believe...you can go for one/two of those...

i also wanted to get one gtx 580 then get a second down the road...but i didn't do that because i wanted "performance now" and also because in some games i can set one 560 as the physx controller and the other as the main gpu...also, down the road you'll still be looking at 300 for a gtx 580, and if the hydrocopper are still available you're looking at 400 for one of those (just a guess though) so like 1100 in total, whereas two 560 now with blocks is 700, and down the line just replace them with the 760 or whatever is around then, and it'll cost another 700, so 1400 total but at each end point of cost you have a higher performing system...

EDIT: I don't want to push a decision on you, I just want to explain why I did what I did...number crunching got me some results I didn't expect...I cancelled my gtx 580 order and got a 560 instead when i guesstimated a "ten year plan"
    
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Yeah, that is something to think about it. I doubt I would want to upgrade for 3 years or so. So, GTX 580 (w/ block) = ~650, then a second block + GPU in about a year = ~$450. So, $1,100 approx, less approv $200 resale value of current 560Ti =$900.

Then the GTX 560Ti second card = $250 + [2 blocks @ $100=$200]= $450. Plus, I wouldn't have the hassle of reselling the current 560 ti.

So, yeah, I think you've got a point there.


Also, I haven't seen any blocks yet for the 560 Ti (non reference), but EK supposedly has said they'll have a block for the 560 Ti in a few days (so I read here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=269143).
    
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