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i guess if you are seriously paranoid, and since the browser is the single weakest point in any security scheme, you could always setup a chroot environment and run the browser from there...that way if it is compromised, they be in their own little virtual prison.
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i guess if you are seriously paranoid, and since the browser is the single weakest point in any security scheme, you could always setup a chroot environment and run the browser from there...that way if it is compromised, they be in their own little virtual prison.
OK. Can you explain that for me. I looked at the man file and it says that the default directory is /bin/sh. But that directory doesn't exist. Does this mean that when you run something through chroot it creates that directory and there's nothing in it? Sorry I'm really not that bright with security.
     
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OK. Can you explain that for me. I looked at the man file and it says that the default directory is /bin/sh. But that directory doesn't exist. Does this mean that when you run something through chroot it creates that directory and there's nothing in it? Sorry I'm really not that bright with security.
chroot is a command afaik, that is apart of bash.

its not really a "security" thing, i use it mainly to access boinked installs of linux, or to perform updates without having to reboot into that distro...

i was just saying that is one thing you could do, as it is a self contained "prison", nothing inside the chroot could "break out" afaik and infect your system, so any command or program you run inside the chroot, is only going to effect that environment.

lots of people i know that use gentoo, use a gentoo environment to do the initial setup/install of it, but i know others who are paranoid enough to go thru the trouble of setting up a second install, just to use in this manner, running their browser, among other things, thru the chroot, for those "just in case" moments they say.
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chroot is a command afaik, that is apart of bash.

its not really a "security" thing, i use it mainly to access boinked installs of linux, or to perform updates without having to reboot into that distro...

i was just saying that is one thing you could do, as it is a self contained "prison", nothing inside the chroot could "break out" afaik and infect your system, so any command or program you run inside the chroot, is only going to effect that environment.

lots of people i know that use gentoo, use a gentoo environment to do the initial setup/install of it, but i know others who are paranoid enough to go thru the trouble of setting up a second install, just to use in this manner, running their browser, among other things, thru the chroot, for those "just in case" moments they say.
Damn I'm not getting it. Are you saying you can just "chroot [program]" and it will work or is there more that you have to do?
     
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Did you make sure there was an that s in https when you were logging in to Hotmail? You could have been a victim of an sslstrip attack, also known as a man in the middle attack.
Edited by goonies - 5/2/11 at 10:11am
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Damn I'm not getting it. Are you saying you can just "chroot [program]" and it will work or is there more that you have to do?
oh, you have to have a different environment setup, like a second install on another partition, or if you are knowing what you are doing, you could build on from scratch like ubuntu into a folder.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Li...ionFromScratch

^this is one way to do it, there are many

you have to secure, i make it sound like you just set it up and its ready to roll.

its not something i'm really not comfortable to explain how to do it, as i use it in such a limited way and i've never used it in this way. i'm sure google could help

search for "setup chroot jail" "setup secure chroot for web browsing", i'm sure one of those will give you all the information you need.
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Did you make sure there was an that s in https when you were logging in to Hotmail? You could have been a victim of an sslstrip attack, also known as a man in the middle attack.
sslstrip attacks arent the most common and they are a MITM attack so doubtful on a personal email account... but the fact of using a school network for checking email puts the chances up there quite a bit, some kid learns somethin new and wants to try it... what better place?
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a chrooted environment is kind of like a virtual install, only it's not. lol Ok ok, a better example is using chroot to create an entire 32bit os inside your 64bit os so you can run every 32bit program.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575

When you create the 32bit chroot environment you are really creating an entire linux installation. This is done in a folder, which becomes the chroot's root directory (think /) and then everything gets installed there. It will run system calls and everything just like it does in your system, with the exception of services and stuff. You could probably set them up but by default you have to "log in" to the chroot and then run your programs/commands.

You can run a 64bit chroot as well, that's just an example of how it's going to get set up.

[edit @transhour] It's just like logging into another user account, only your in a new system. Everything is the same, it interacts with the hardware through the system's original/native libraries (native in the case of 32bit vs. 64bit). Really that's all it is, you can also explain it as running two systems under one kernel as well. [edit] Just if you have to explain it down the line again.
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[edit @transhour] It's just like logging into another user account, only your in a new system. Everything is the same, it interacts with the hardware through the system's original/native libraries (native in the case of 32bit vs. 64bit). Really that's all it is, you can also explain it as running two systems under one kernel as well. [edit] Just if you have to explain it down the line again.
yeah i know how it works...but only how it works in my mind...there seems to be a problem when it comes from my mind to the keyboard when i try to explain it...as there is so much you can do with it
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@transhour & mushroomboy: So that sounds like really complicated things with a massive chance to screw something up. You guys would recommend SeLinux and AppArmour first for a newbie right?
     
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