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I'm putting together my first WC build and I would like someone to go over my questions below.
  • Fans - I can't decide what to go with. Could you suggest what looks the best, using the retailers below? I know the topic of the best fan has been beaten to death, so I would like a recommendation based on a limited selection. Before you start looking I may as well add that none of them have gentle typhoons in stock and that Petra's Tech(Yate Loons) charges too much for shipping.
  • Pump - Is it worth spending an extra $10 for the speed controller version?
  • Rad - Any recommendations about where I should mount it?
  • Res - Stupid question, but I really haven't seen an answer for it. How exactly does one fill and drain it? Run a tube from the fill port to outside the case, grab a funnel and pour? Run a tube from the drain port to outside the case, grab a bucket and it will empty out?
  • Will I have to worry about corrosion if I just use distilled water and a silver coil? I've read that coolants can prevent corrosion, but they can also lead to a buildup of other junk.
  • Everything else look fine? Should anything be changed?

I'm Canadian, so in order to avoid being completely gouged via shipping fees, please keep recommendations to items that are in stock in the following retailers, in order of preference.
http://www.directcanada.com/category/?minorcatid=1495 - Free shipping; buying most stuff from here.
http://www.jab-tech.com/120mm-Fans-c-81.html - Cheapest shipping; buying tubing, fittings, pump here.
http://ncix.com/products/?minorcatid=1164 - Only if truly necessary.

Purpose: I'm aiming for a 4.4Ghz - 5.0Ghz OC that can run 24/7 (gamer).
Budget: A bit flexible, but I really don't want to spend much more. I'm sitting at about $2150 without fans.

Specs:

CPU: Intel 2600K *Already bought*
Case: HAFX 942 *Already bought*
Mobo: Gigabyte UD7
GPU: 560ti SLI
PSU: Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 1000W SLI (Overkill I know, but I would like plenty of extra room)
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL8-8-8-24 1.5V
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache x2 (RAID 0 for OS and games - unhappy with SSD options)
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN x2 (Storage)

CPU Waterblock: Swiftech APOGEE XT LGA1366 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Eurostyle Barb Fittings
http://www.directcanada.com/products...cture=SWIFTECH

Pump: Swiftech MCP655-B™ 12 VDC Pump Without speed controller
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP...r-pr-3803.html

Rad: Swiftech MCR320 Quiet Power Triple 120MM Water Cooling Radiator Black G1/4 Threaded
http://www.directcanada.com/products...cture=SWIFTECH

Res: Swiftech MCRES-MICRO REV2 Clear HI-FLOW Water Cooling Reservoir 3/8IN & 1/2IN Barb Fittings
http://www.directcanada.com/products...cture=SWIFTECH

Tubes: PrimoFlex Pro LRT UV Green Tubing - 1/2in. ID X 3/4in. OD
http://www.jab-tech.com/PrimoFlex-Pr...D-pr-4595.html

Fittings: Enzotechnology Compression Fitting - 1/2" - 3/4" - Silver
http://www.jab-tech.com/Enzotechnolo...r-pr-4678.html

Thermal Paste: ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...COOLING%20MX-2

See image below for greater detail.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/407/pcbuild.jpg

Thanks, I really appreciate it!
Edited by RedXIIIx - 4/20/11 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by RedXIIIx View Post
I'm putting together my first WC build and I would like someone to go over my questions below.

[*]Fans - I can't decide what to go with. Could you suggest what looks the best, using the retailers below? I know the topic of the best fan has been beaten to death, so I would like a recommendation based on a limited selection. Before you start looking I may as well add that none of them have gentle typhoons in stock and that Petra's Tech(Yate Loons) charges too much for shipping.[*]Pump - Is it worth spending an extra $10 for the speed controller version?

~ Up to you, all it will do is affect noise output, wont make a change to performance
[*]Rad - Any recommendations about where I should mount it?

~ I believe you can top mount it, so I would stick it there
[*]Res - Stupid question, but I really haven't seen an answer for it. How exactly does one fill and drain it? Run a tube from the fill port to outside the case, grab a funnel and pour? Run a tube from the drain port to outside the case, grab a bucket and it will empty out?

~ Personally I don't, but; you should have a t section with a pipe coming off low in your loop to drain it, and unless your res is easy to access, it can be useful to have a fill pipe going to the top of the case.
[*]Will I have to worry about corrosion if I just use distilled water and a silver coil? I've read that coolants can prevent corrosion, but they can also lead to a buildup of other junk.

~ No corrosion only happens with aluminium parts, which you dont have in your list
[*]Everything else look fine? Should anything be changed?

~ al looks good to me, I've not seen the exact performance of the swiftech rad, but you may want to look at a black ice GT, though you'd need some meaty fans to get that functioning to its full pottential.



I'm Canadian, so in order to avoid being completely gouged via shipping fees, please keep recommendations to items that are in stock in the following retailers, in order of preference.
http://www.directcanada.com/category/?minorcatid=1495 - Free shipping; buying most stuff from here.
http://www.jab-tech.com/120mm-Fans-c-81.html - Cheapest shipping; buying tubing, fittings, pump here.
http://ncix.com/products/?minorcatid=1164 - Only if truly necessary.

Purpose: I'm aiming for a 4.4Ghz - 5.0Ghz OC that can run 24/7.
Budget: A bit flexible, but I really don't want to spend much more. I'm sitting at about $2150 without fans.

~ Easily IMO

Specs:

CPU: Intel 2600K *Already bought*
Case: HAFX 942 *Already bought*
Mobo: Gigabyte UD7
GPU: 560ti SLI
PSU: Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 1000W SLI (Overkill I know, but I would like plenty of extra room)
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL8-8-8-24 1.5V
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache x2 (RAID 0 for OS and games - unhappy with SSD options)
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN x2 (Storage)

CPU Waterblock: Swiftech APOGEE XT LGA1366 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Eurostyle Barb Fittings
http://www.directcanada.com/products...cture=SWIFTECH

Pump: Swiftech MCP655-Bâ„¢ 12 VDC Pump Without speed controller
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP...r-pr-3803.html

Rad: Swiftech MCR320 Quiet Power Triple 120MM Water Cooling Radiator Black G1/4 Threaded
http://www.directcanada.com/products...cture=SWIFTECH

Res: Swiftech MCRES-MICRO REV2 Clear HI-FLOW Water Cooling Reservoir 3/8IN & 1/2IN Barb Fittings
http://www.directcanada.com/products...cture=SWIFTECH

Tubes: PrimoFlex Pro LRT UV Green Tubing - 1/2in. ID X 3/4in. OD
http://www.jab-tech.com/PrimoFlex-Pr...D-pr-4595.html

Fittings: Enzotechnology Compression Fitting - 1/2" - 3/4" - Silver
http://www.jab-tech.com/Enzotechnolo...r-pr-4678.html

Thermal Paste: ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...COOLING%20MX-2

See image below for greater detail.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/407/pcbuild.jpg

Thanks, I really appreciate it!

Hope that helps

Edit:
God damned wysiwyg formatting
Edited by Crabid - 4/20/11 at 12:35am
    
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Hello

I have been looking a bit at fans and I would recommend this:

Coolermaster 120MM Blue LED Case Fan 2000RPM 69CFM 19DBA

red version(note the red fan is rated at 90cfm. I belive this is incorrect, it should be 69cfm like the blue one)

I don't have personal experience with this fan, but the specs tell of a good performance/noise ratio. Although fan specs can sometimes be a bit misleading.

You have chosen a thin rad and with a cpu and two gpu's to cool it's a bit on the small side. I would recommend a XSPC RX360 as it is the best rad for low rpm fans. If you're only cooling cpu your rad is ok, but you might want to expand your loop later on.

If this is your first time doing watercooling it would be a good idea to read a guide like this one. It tells you how to fill it.
Edited by Astral Fly - 4/20/11 at 10:27am
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post #4 of 5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crabid
~ Up to you, all it will do is affect noise output, wont make a change to performance
Doesn't pump speed and fan specs affect performance?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crabid
~ I believe you can top mount it, so I would stick it there
So, would the inlets be downwards(upside-down)? Thus would I need the MCR320-Res with the non-functional res?

edit: Was I thinking about that incorrectly? I suppose it would be mounted horizontally, not vertically.

MCR320-QP

Vertical (inlet/outlet at top) : yes
Vertical (upside-down): possible, but not recommended due to accumulation of air over time; we recommend using the MCR320-Res instead
On the side: yes
Horizontal (either face): yes

MCR320-Res

Functional reservoir

Vertical (right side up) : yes
Vertical (upside-down): no
On the side: no
Horizontal (either face): no

Non-functional reservoir

Vertical (upside-down): yes
On the side: yes
Horizontal (either face): yes



Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral Fly View Post
Hello

I have been looking a bit at fans and I would recommend this:

Coolermaster 120MM Blue LED Case Fan 2000RPM 69CFM 19DBA

red version(note the red fan is rated at 90cfm. I belive this is incorrect, it should be 69cfm like the blue one)

I don't have personal experience with this fan, but the specs tell of a good performance/noise ratio. Although fan specs can sometimes be a bit misleading.
I think I'll give those a try.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral Fly View Post
You have chosen a thin rad and with a cpu and two gpu's to cool it's a bit on the small side. I would recommend a XSPC RX360 as it is the best rad for low rpm fans. If you're only cooling cpu your rad is ok, but you might want to expand your loop later on.
One other reason I choose this rad is because its depth is only 34mm, as compared to 58.5mm for the RX360. I've seen pictures of the HAF X with the RX360 and it is pretty tight. I would like the RX360, but based on my case and mobo, do you have any idea if it would fit in a push/push top mount?

Would I need this, or is it for something else?
http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-120mm-R...d-pr-4808.html

Quote:
If this is your first time doing watercooling it would be a good idea to read a guide like this one. It tells you how to fill it.
Wow, that is the most comprehensive guide I've seen. Thanks
Edited by RedXIIIx - 4/20/11 at 2:44pm
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Ignore the above

Here is my finalized version. Let me know if it seems alright. I would like to place the order by Sunday.

CPU Waterblock:
Swiftech APOGEE XT REV2 LGA1366 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Eurostyle Barb Fittings - $52.62
http://www.directcanada.com/products...facture=Others

Pump:
Swiftech MCP 655-01 Water Pump w/ Speed Controller - $79.99
http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...roducts_id=275

Res:
XSPC BR525DUV Dual 5.25 Inch Bay UV Blue Acrylic Water Cooling Reservoir G1/4 - $38.53
http://www.directcanada.com/products...ia%20Co.%20Ltd.

Rad:
XSPC RX360 Triple 120MM Fan High Performance Water Cooling Radiator - $80.44
http://www.directcanada.com/products...facture=Others

Fans:
Coolermaster R4-L2R-20AC 120MM Blue LED Case Fan 2000RPM 69CFM 19DBA 3/4 Pin - $8.99*3 = $26.97
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=42176&...e=COOLERMASTER

Coolermaster Megaflow 200MM Blue LED Case Fan 700RPM for HAF932 922 Cosmos S Atcs 840 Storm Sniper - $12.08*1 = $12.08
http://www.directcanada.com/products...e=COOLERMASTER

Tubes:
XSPC 7/16 ID 5/8 OD High Flex Tube 1ft - UV Blue - $1.99*10= 19.90
http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...oducts_id=1191

Fittings:
Fesser 1/2"ID Tubing - High Performance Barb (Value Pack of 10)$22.99*1 = $22.99
http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...roducts_id=353

Primochill Zinc Plated Steel Worm Drive Hose Clamps for 5/8IN OD Tubing (2 Pack) - $2.75*5 = $13.75
http://www.directcanada.com/products...ure=Primochill

XSPC Reservoir M20x1.5mm to G1/4" fillcap adapter - $5.99*1 = $5.99
http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...oducts_id=1013

Layout:

Since it doesn't look terribly clear;
The rad is mounted internally.
The large box that contains the smaller CPU box represents the motherboard, not the case.
No tubes leave the case.
The pump would be about 1/2ft lower.
There are 200mm*2 fans above the rad.
The tubes from the rad actually face downwards.
Flow: Pump -> Rad -> CPU -> Res

Filling and Draining: The fill port it located at the top front of the reservoir. I will pull the res out through the front of the case, exposing the fill port, grap a funnel and pour. To drain it, I'll use the fillport adapter to attach it to a tube, lead the tube into a bucket and put the case onto it's side or upside down if needed.

Questions:
  • Does the filling/draining sound plausible?
  • Do you think I should replace some of the straight barbs with X degrees fittings? If so, which connection(s) and what angle? Worth paying an insane $12~ for?
  • Are anti-kink coils very useful for this size of tubing?
  • Would this handle an addition of a 560ti SLI cooling down the road?
  • Do those Fesser barbs look alright? They seem pretty short. Or does it not really matter, since I am using 7/16" tubing? Should I go with one of the alternatives below? The Bitspower barbs look nice, but it would add an extra $20 to my already bloated budget.
    http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...roducts_id=715
    http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...oducts_id=1154
  • Quantity, size, type, compatibility, etc all fine?
  • Am I forgetting anything/comments/etc?

Thanks
Edited by RedXIIIx - 4/22/11 at 9:02pm
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