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post #71 of 851
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Are you aware that many games can stutter due to harddrive loading? Whilst they do not with an SSD. What's the point of having a great CPU and graphics card if the game stutters due to harddrive loading?
I've never seen that on every pc I have built and used. Maybe it happens on GTA IV on ocasions but it'll definitely stutter more if you don't have a good video card/cpu
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Like what? My X25 Gen.2's have TRIM. Nothing to take care of.

The point is having your OS, progs and installed games on that SSD. Rest you store on harddrives.
The day I can open my case, plug in a SSD. Fill it as much as I like, and continue to use it as such, filling and deleting files from it freely...I'll buy one. HDD is no doubt the biggest bottleneck of modern computing.

It's just too darn expensive for something that not alot of people need. I left a 40gb partition for OS on this 2tb Black. I load windows in about 30 seconds, always one of the first into games on COD, BC2, etc. Right now I don't see a good enough reason, price is just too high. We'd all love a 2tb SSD that we can use as media storage...so I'll wait for that.


These days a 2tb Black is around or less than 100....hell the WD Green 2tbs are goin for about 50. Just not worth the difference, I'd rather spend that on my gfx if I were building a new build.
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SSD's are for the birds.

"hurry and spend your money on diminished storage capacity, that boots winblows faster" ..
That's kind of ignorant... Booting windows IHMO is just the topping on the cake, have you ever used an SSD in your PC?
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Same reason some people are buying 580 SLI set-up with 19'' screens. LOL!

I always laugh when I see this.

And the infamous ''micro-stuttering'' is often due to slow HDD loading gigantics textures files, etc. People are often confusing micro-stuttering with alot of other problems in their system...
    
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SSD's is really not about storage capacity. As I've said, even 80GB is enough for OS, installed appz and games. And that's what matter, that's what you need the speed for. Rest you store in harddrives.
    
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Like what? My X25 Gen.2's have TRIM. Nothing to take care of.

The point is having your OS, progs and installed games on that SSD. Rest you store on harddrives.
1. Why do you keep ignoring my posts?
2. You seriously want me to install games on an SSD? I've got 112 GiB worth of games... Well, some of my games aren't installed, so I have a bit more. Anyway, with 19 GiB taken up by Windows, 7 GiB taken up by apps, and assuming I'd want to have 5 GiB of free space at all times, I'd only have about 45 GiB with an 80 GB SSD.
3. As rmp459 said, an SSD only affects load times for most users. Once in a game or application, it won't affect your speed/FPS.

TBH, you've been ignoring people with good reasons why an SSD is less important than a CPU and you haven't provided any proof for what you say. You keep saying that the HDD is the biggest bottleneck in a modern system, but you haven't said what it bottlenecks. Sure, it's the biggest bottleneck when it comes to OS loading/app opening, but my ingame FPS won't increase by 50% like it did when I got a new CPU. And the stutters you speak of are uncommon. I don't get stutters because of my HDD. You also have to remember that people don't play the same games. Someone playing GTA 4 has other needs than someone who plays Crysis.
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Well, from what I understand, that's conversion of something which IMO would fall under video editing. But I honestly didn't understand the Wiki page.
Yes they require similar things, but they're completely different workloads.

With transcoding, the PC reads from an already compressed source file and writes to a new, also compressed file. For example, from 1080p h.264 to 720p MPEG4. The computer reads a chunk of the compressed file, uncompresses it in memory, recompresses it, and then writes it to disk. And it keeps on going until the entire file has been read.

With video editing you're working with uncompressed data (or with lossless compression, which still results in a much higher bitrate). A 1080p movie that normally takes up 8GB when compressed with h.264 would end up taking almost 1TB when uncompressed - most single hard drives won't even be able to keep up with the playback rate. So when you're doing editing, the only thing you should be even considering is a RAID array with extremely high sequential speeds (SSD or HDD doesn't matter), otherwise you'll always be bottlenecked at the storage.
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To some extent I think I should have skipped the ssd and got a raptor raid or something like that. I find myself being a bit too cautious with the ssd. Boot time was an enormous difference but program loading time is only a little quicker. Some games have a big difference others not so much. When using photoshop or 3d rendering apps the performance is a bit better but all documents etc are still being saved to the hdd.

I put a cheaper ssd in my netbook that runs Linux and the difference was almost non-exsistent. And ssd is ot a silver bullet.
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Besides, I've read something online about the SSD not deleting the information stored on the... That's kind of ridiculous because that somehow defeats some of the purpose off having a SSD
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1. Why do you keep ignoring my posts?
2. You seriously want me to install games on an SSD? I've got 112 GB worth of games... Well, some of my games aren't installed, so I have a bit more.
3. As rmp459 said, an SSD only affects load times for most users. Once in a game or application, it won't affect your speed/FPS.

TBH, you've been ignoring people with good reasons why an SSD is less important than a CPU and you haven't provided any proof for what you say. You keep saying that the HDD is the biggest bottleneck in a modern system, but you haven't said what it bottlenecks. Sure, it's the biggest bottleneck when it comes to OS loading/app opening, but my ingame FPS won't increase by 50% like it did when I got a new CPU. And the stutters you speak of are uncommon. I don't get stutters because of my HDD. You also have to remember that people don't play the same games. Someone playing GTA 4 has other needs than someone who plays Crysis.
Do you have 20 games installed at the same time? I install the games I play..
    
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