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Good to be back to the OCN!

It's been a while since I've got to play around with my computer (long story), but having it back reminded me of how much fun it is!

I've been putting it back through its paces now that it has been about 3.5 years since the build, and it is still going strong. The Q6600 is running right along at 3.6Ghz, but I've noticed the GPU has not been magically transformed by drivers in the meantime. So, with the abundance of great new tech out there, I decided it was time to put in a few duckets.

When it was launched, the 8800 GTX/Ultra were THE card and I still have a spot in my heart for it. Almost as soon as they were out, I put a waterblock on it and stuck it in the machine. The card has never been over 56*C at load cool.gif, and yes, it "could run Crysis".

But, having re-downloaded Crysis, Warhead, Crysis 2, and some of the newer demos like Metro 2033 and Just Cause 2, etc, I can see that the 8800 is breathing hard to keep up.

So, I did some looking and on OCN and since the budget is a bit tight (got a baby on the way biggrin.gif) I went with a mainstream card instead of an 'enthusiast'-level card, with the GTX 560 Ti.

Specifically, I bought an MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB for $180 from the Egg.

I know the MSI card vents a lot of exhaust into the case, but I'm not too concerned with that since my CPU/NB are on my water loop and there's four 120mm variable fans in the case to keep air moving.

It really is amazing that a top-level, $600 card I bought in '07 is about 3x less powerful than a $180 card bought in '11. That's progress for you!

So, what can I expect making such an upgrade? I've not yet played anything on DX11 and can't wait to see what this generation of cards has in store. What do you think I should do with the 8800? Part it off and sell it? Try and use it for PhysX?

*******UPDATED************

Had a fun night of nearly completely tearing down my computer since it hadn't been serviced in about 3 years. Took it outside and, using compressed air, blew about 5lbs worth of dust out of my radiator and fan screens.

I removed the 8800 GTX from my rig and completely bled the lines. As a side note, there was ZERO corrosion inside my blocks from using copper blocks and an aluminum radiator (take THAT Koolance haters! biggrin.gif).

I ran new tubing from my northbridge chipset to the rad since the video card loop was deleted and tried to install the new card. BUT, the old water block was a much lower profile cooler than the massive Frozr II cooler. Problem was my southbridge heatsink was very tall, and the heatsink wouldn't allow me to set the card.

Hello, Mr. Dremel. I removed the offending heatsink and after about 10-15min and 3 cutting discs, I had sufficiently cut enough aluminum off the heatsink to let the card sit, with about 3mm of space between the cooler and the heatsink. See pic below:
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Here's the rig completely messy and checking for leaks.

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Mainboard View:

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The PCB is a good 2-3" shorter than the 8800, which is nice because now it is not *almost* resting in my mid-HDD rack. All three HDDs are mounted vertically in the bottom rack to preserve airflow in the upper chamber.

The Card:
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The Card, Side View:
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****RESULTS****
I am still tuning the card, but it has achieved 1Ghz core stable at 1.1v. Currently, I am running it at 950Mhz core at 1.087v

The Heaven DX11 benchmark ran at 45FPS on default setting at 1680x1050 resolution and 47.8FPS with the ~10% OC.

The MAFIA 2 Benchmark was wicked with medium PhysX, 0 AA, 8x AF, medium shadows - 30FPS, Rank: D frown.gif. Yuk.

This is all with my CPU clocked at 3.5Ghz. Load temps did not exceed 68*C during Prime95 testing. I may try to OC it back up to 4Ghz for some benching runs later since under normal gaming, it does not reach above 57*c.

Crysis ran verrrrrrry much better. Going from all medium settings w/ 30-40fps to all High settings (Textures, Objects and Phsysics on V. High) at 60-80 FPS. The card never dropped below about 50FPS during intense combat. Pretty happy with that.

The card has been running fairly cool, peaking at 58*C during benching before the fan's auto settings kicked on to cool it down. Very quiet as well. The card Idles at about 34*C.
Edited by DeltaUpsilon - 4/29/11 at 8:55pm
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8800 GTX:

Memory Bandwidth:86.4 GB/sec
FLOPS:345.6 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate:13800 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate:18400 MTexels/sec

560 TI:

Memory Bandwidth:128.256 GB/sec
FLOPS:1262.592 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate:26304 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate:52608 MTexels/sec

You'll be VERY happy with the 560. wink.gif

If you play any PhysX games keep the 8800, otherwise sell it to help pay for the new card.
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Congrats on the baby wheee.gif

The 8800 is beastly biggrin.gif It's always sad to see such a beast be put down sad-smiley-002.gif Depending on how much you want to sell it for, I might be interested tongue.gif Might toss it in my parents' computer. I'm looking at a 500 series for my next build. You could probably stuff it back in your rig for PhysX if you find that your 560 Ti struggles when you turn PhysX on. Have fun wheee.gif
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Nice upgrade..though its been a while..seeing your specs i'm sure you'll be still giving the 560Ti a kick on every game your gonna play with it..you can opt to use the old card as a dedicated physx card..though the 560Ti seems to be enough(depends on the game)Mafia 2 will sure make use of it as a dedicated Physx card..
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con gratz on your new card, from one beastly card to another that packs a lot more punch.

I would sell the 8800 and put towards another 560ti, IMHO there aint many games that utilise physx, so wouldn't be a good idea to add that extra heat in you rig. Sell the 8800 and get another 560 thumb.gif
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You can expect a huge increase in performance. I went from a gtx 260, which is faster than the 8800, to the 560ti.

My only comparison, in game, is with dirt 2. Before I was getting low 30fps. Now I'm getting over 90. You will love it.
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you should be getting up to 3 times the performnance of the 8800GTX
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Originally Posted by stRodda;13205096 
You can expect a huge increase in performance. I went from a gtx 260, which is faster than the 8800, to the 560ti.

My only comparison, in game, is with dirt 2. Before I was getting low 30fps. Now I'm getting over 90. You will love it.


Holy...

I'm ordering a 560 in 2 days and I'm currently using a 9600GT which is slower than an 8800GTX so I'll be getting an even bigger performance jump.

I now think my proc is going to be a bottleneck with the 560.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado;13206088 
Holy...

I'm ordering a 560 in 2 days and I'm currently using a 9600GT which is slower than an 8800GTX so I'll be getting an even bigger performance jump.

I now think my proc is going to be a bottleneck with the 560.

If you're interested, keep an eye on this link from newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565R&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-. That's the "open box" card I bought for $180; and I've never been let down by Newegg's return policy if something goes wrong, so take that for what it's worth.

As far as your CPU bottleneck....you might be getting some at 2.8Ghz. I haven't seen all the hard data, but the hearsay I'm reading points at the bottleneck being somewhere around the 3-3.4Ghz area. Of course, that's a broad statement and not taking into account the different architectures.
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OP updated with pictures and preliminary results.
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