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Hello, I'm a few days from buying a new homebuilt system. Due to price and availability issues in my country though (I'm not American), I have a few questions regarding my choice of case and CPU cooler. Despite this topic not being about only my case, I posted it in the computer case subforum because there doesn't seem to be a dedicated "new build" forum here, because I didn't want to make two seperate threads in different subforums and because I've seen a lot of discussion of cooling in this subforum, albeit mostly in "x case owners threads" about modifications etc. I hope this is okay.

Anyhow, this is the build I'm thinking about;
CPU - Intel i5 2500k
GPU - Gainward Phantom GTX 570
MOBO - Asus p8p67 pro (the Asrock p67 extreme4 is not available from a good retailers I fear)
PSU - Antec Truepower (New, I hope ) 750w
HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB
DVD - cheapest sony dvd-burner available
RAM - Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9
OS - Windows 7 64bit Home Premium

I believe that just leaves CPU cooler and case. For my case I would rationally pick the Fractal Design Define R3 or Haf 922 or something, cheap and decent, however I'm not the biggest fan of their looks compared to higher-end cases and have decided to go for a case based on looks (though quality needs to match the price of course.) The Corsair Obsidian 650D seemed the obvious choice, fairly cheap, awesome looking and spacious, nice build quality if average cooling. However it's unavailable until mid-June, and I won't wait that long.

As an alternative, I'm considering NZXT Phantom. It isn't as good looking or solid as the Obsidian I feel, but I like the color scheme and for a plastic front it's pretty cool. The plastic complaint is also shared by a less-pretty competitor it seems, the Raven 02/03 which I believe has superior cooling. However I've heard scathing criticism of it; that the build quality is low, the pain finish scratches/gets handprints easily and that NZXT in general have inferior cases. The FT02 seems like a better looking, minimalistic version of the Raven, but it's almost as expensive as the 700/800d and I can't afford that. So any alternatives here around that price range? Is the Phantom better than I've heard?

As for a CPU cooler, I was at first intending on buying a Zalman Performa, because it's fairly cheap here and the CM hyper 212 plus is vastly overpriced and is rarely available. It is however unavailable at the moment, and the popular Truepower/Noctua stuff is pretty overpriced.

I've however seen a lot of pictures of builds lately with these semi-liquid cooling CPU coolers. The Corsair H50 (the only one in that series I can afford) and the Coolit Eco ALC? I understand these don't really offer much of an cooling advantage over normal air coolers, but are still "self-contained" and easy to maintain unlike the more advanced "real" watercooling builds that cover the entire system. Any information on them is nice. The h50 isn't that cheap here, but not worse than the popular CPU coolers and the Coolit is pretty cheap. So in general looking for any cooler advice here for a first-time builder.

Any replies are very much appreciated.

EDIT:
As requested I've uploaded a few pictures here http://imageshack.us/g/861/dscf0621o.jpg/

Have had it built for over two weeks now, just havn't had time for updating due to exams.

They're pretty crappy to be honest, I tried to follow the tips for case photography in the sticky, but since I have a crappy camera and virtually no experience as well as keep my PC in a room with very strong lights and a small window, lighting is pretty bad. Don't think that matters much though seeing as it's a fairly generic, mid-end build. Thanks for all the advice.
Edited by Drome - 6/4/11 at 6:55am
post #2 of 15
Can't help you with the cases mate but might be able to provide some insight into the coolers.

With the self contained liquid coolers (I'll just say H50, its nice and short) they perform slightly worse than high-end air coolers (such as the NH-D14, Thermalright Silver Arrow, big heavy things.). However their small footprint on the actual CPU (the metal part with the water pump) means that items such as RAM, graphics and other surrounding heatsinks will not be affected. The radiator on such systems is usually attached directly to an exhaust/intake on your case, providing instant removal of heat (exhaust) or direct cool air (intake) whereas with air coolers you will require heavier air flow within the case itself.

Cost wise places the H50 above high end air for equal or less performance. They are self contained and should last longer than your system's useful life.

Depending if you're going to be overclocking or not, such high end coolers are generally not required.

ps: noise depends completely on your choice of fans in general the liquid cooling kits -should- be quieter for similar performance.

Hope this helps!
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Cases - It sounds like your price range is in the neighborhood of around $100 - $200 US from the cases you listed. In that range, the 650D and Phantom are both good cases. I've used the 650D on a client build and was pretty happy working with it.

Another case that I like the looks of, and seen some nice builds here on OCN with it is the Cooler Master Storm Sniper. Link to the Egg

It depends on if you plan to use this case for upgrading to a custom water loop or longer video cards in the future. The Mid tower cases are fine with proper cable management on your part to get good airflow through the case. However if you think you are going to use this case for awhile and possibly be upgrading you may want to stick with the full tower Phantom or other to give you upgrade room in the future. (internal rads, longer GPU cards, etc)

soulster gave a good explanation of the H50 above. You can also check out the OCN H50 club thread for a lot of info on the unit here

Be sure to start a build log when you begin the build with lots of pics!
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**Reprint of similar post*** I think Bit Fenix is a hidden gem like Fractal, they don't get as much lip service as they are not available on Newegg but they both are great.

BIT Fenix Colossus-Venom http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/pr...colossus-venom you can choose Red or green color at the push of a button. How cool is that Its $169.99 and they even have a windowed version now and its cheaper to boot!

Just finished a build with this case and I love it. Tons of space for excellent cable management, fan controller everything well planned out and looks like a super quality build. Everything you would want in a case. I had looked at the HAF-X but it looks way cheap in comparison and I dont like the look of it as much.

Bit Fenix is a group of all star designers that jumped ship from CM. Will post some pics of mine when I get home so you can see. Even managed to stick the USB 3 mounts within the panel rather than mounting on the back and running the lines out of the water cool ports to connect.

Love this case, going to use the Shinobi for my sons build http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/pr...assis/shinobi/
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CM690ADII + Silver Arrow is full of win on a budget.

If that's too much CM690ADII and CM hypere 212+ are going to be the best bets. Stay away from hybrid water coolers like the H50/60/70 or anteck's line. They cost to much for the performance you get, Air coolers beat them out nowdays.

I use the CM690IIAD and sliver arrow and am so pleased it not funny:0 love the case and cooler.
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Originally Posted by Drome View Post
The plastic complaint is also shared by a less-pretty competitor it seems, the Raven 02/03 which I believe has superior cooling. However I've heard scathing criticism of it; that the build quality is low, the pain finish scratches/gets handprints easily ....

Any replies are very much appreciated.
I recently acquired the RV03. It is reasonably priced, and I'm not sure what reviews you've been reading, but it is a steel body and panels. The top cover, which covers the I/O ports and exhaust, is a removable plastic cover, as are the hard drive covers in front and a few decorative pieces. The feet are plastic and rubber.

The hard drive bays are all metal.

The finish is a matte black, so no handprints, except on the window.

Just FYI, don't want you to make a decision with incorrect information. I've only owned the case for a bit and it still isn't fully operational (I've actually protected it using an energy shield projected from a nearby moon), so I can't recommend it one way or another.
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Coolers:
air:
Noctua NH-D14
Silver Arrow
Thermalright Archon
These are recommended over liquid options as they perform better

liquid:
Corsair H50
Corsair H70

Cases:
Anything NZXT (such as Tempest Evo or Phantom)
Or Cooler Master (HAF Series)
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The stuff about plastic and bad build quality was about the Phantom, not the Raven, badly phrased by me sorry. Seems though that this forum disagrees about NZXT being a lackluster company, which makes the Phantom look pretty tempting as the 650D is unavailable. The Raven 02 and 03 look very good in terms of cooling, quality and price, but since I dont really like their appearance, which goes for the Sniper as well, I dont think I will go for them.

The Archon/Silver Arrow are very expensive in my country I fear. The Bitfenix stuff looks pretty cool, but Ive heard really bad things about their cooling in a few googled reviews.

At the moment, a NZXT Phantom/Corsair H50 looks really tempting, but of course more input is appreciated before I make a purchase.
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Yeah, not a fan of the Sniper (or related MBs) styling. Fortunately having a bunch of GPUs covers up that silly magazine heatsink. I do like the feature set, though.
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Scythe Mugen 2 costs 30-40 euros depending on the place.

As for the case: in my opinion, nothing can beat Lian Li when it come to looks and build quality.
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