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xd, the PSU you posted is $50 as of now. The motherboard you listed is not gonna work out for the build: it's an 870 chipset, so no onboard video. He wouldn't be able to use the computer. Also, the combo is over-priced. People do 3.8GHz Athlon II X4 OCs just fine on the board I listed earlier. Also, the WD Caviar Blue 500GB can be had for $5 cheaper. Alright, since you insist so much on using higher speed RAM (did you forget this is not gonna go through heavy OCing? It's for a 14-year-old kid and he doesn't have money for aftermarket cooling):


Samsung SH-S223C DVD+RW Drive: $20

HEC Blitz Black Case: $40

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB: $40

Antec EarthWatts EA-380D: $40

A-DATA XPG 4GB DDR3 1600MHz: $48

AMD Athlon II X4 640 + Biostar A880G+ AM3 Motherboard: $140

Subtotal: $327
Total: $336
    
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xd, the PSU you posted is $50 as of now. The motherboard you listed is not gonna work out for the build: it's an 870 chipset, so no onboard video. He wouldn't be able to use the computer. Also, the combo is over-priced. People do 3.8GHz Athlon II X4 OCs just fine on the board I listed earlier. Also, the WD Caviar Blue 500GB can be had for $5 cheaper. Alright, since you insist so much on using higher speed RAM (did you forget this is not gonna go through heavy OCing? It's for a 14-year-old kid and he doesn't have money for aftermarket cooling):


Samsung SH-S223C DVD+RW Drive: $20

HEC Blitz Black Case: $40

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB: $40

Antec EarthWatts EA-380D: $40

A-DATA XPG 4GB DDR3 1600MHz: $48

AMD Athlon II X4 640 + Biostar A880G+ AM3 Motherboard: $140

Subtotal: $327
Total: $336
that would be a decent setup. As for the mobo and the cpu, He may not be able to order it for another week or two so any deals may be invalid when that day comes around. What ever combo is cheaper at the that time I'll end up getting for him.

As for the Ram I can get some hyper x 1600 for $40 at my local micro center, so I'll probably pick some of that up soon.

I also do think the psu you picked will be enough to power the rig after overclocking and after a couple years of use. I will take note of it if I cant get a cx400 for the same price.

I've got an old disk drive sitting around, so that will save us some cash. As for overclocking. I'm hoping to make the move to liquid in a little while so I'll just give that to him. I've gotten my 955 up to 4400 at 57c so I have no doubt he could hit 3.7-3.8 with the 820 or athlon.
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LOL_Wut_Axel's looks okay, but don't get that A-Data RAM, it's had many troubles with AMD systems
Also the HEC Blitz & that DVD drive can come as a combo and you save money (it's on the last page)

Also that motherboard with the 3+1 & NIKOS MOSFETs... not as suitable for CPU OC-ing, not to mention the 640 doesn't really OC that well
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LOL_Wut_Axel's looks okay, but don't get that A-Data RAM, it's had many troubles with AMD systems
Also the HEC Blitz & that DVD drive can come as a combo and you save money (it's on the last page)

Also that motherboard with the 3+1 & NIKOS MOSFETs... not as suitable for CPU OC-ing, not to mention the 640 doesn't really OC that well
The 840 doesn't OC that well, either. Most Athlon II X4s get 3.7GHz, including the 840. For what it is, it's enough. If it were a Phenom II X4 we were talking about, then I wouldn't recommend the mobo. However, the Athlon has less power draw and you won't have to put the core voltage very high to achieve 3.6-3.8GHz. It'll be fine.

Also, OP: the Antec EarthWatts EA380D is a better Power Supply than the Corsair CX400. In reality, the Corsair is a ~320W PSU and has very bad electrical quality. There have been tons of cases of them being DOA and failing within 3 months. I wouldn't recommend it. Tom's Hardware recently made a build-your-own Gaming PC article a month ago featuring a Phenom II X4 925 and a Radeon HD 6850, both of which were over-clocked. The Power Supply they chose is the EA-380D, and at full-load for all components they got a power draw of 306W AT THE WALL. Now, this is very important because it means that since the Power Supply was 80+ Bronze efficient it only had to deliver 250W, well under its rated power of 380W. Components are very efficient now-a-days; you'll be fine.

As for the RAM, I've never had any problems with A-DATA RAM on AMD builds. They go to their rated 1600MHz CAS 9 most of the time at 1.6V. If you up it to 1.65V, you'll have a good chance of lowering timings to CAS 8 or getting 1700MHz or higher. Regardless, you can get this alternative kit: Link

EDIT: here's that combo deal for the DVD Drive + HEC Blitz xd was talking about.
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I have thought about getting a black edition dual core, however I really want him to have 4 cores 1)because they bench soooo much higher than a 2 or 3 core and 2) for future proofing sake
Are you building a computer for benching or for gaming? Or for general use? On such a tight budget you'd probably be much better off getting a dual core and putting your money elsewhere; maybe even a small SSD for just the OS. That would make a MUCH bigger difference in the overall perceived speed of the system than 2 underutilized cores.
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Are you building a computer for benching or for gaming? Or for general use? On such a tight budget you'd probably be much better off getting a dual core and putting your money elsewhere; maybe even a small SSD for just the OS. That would make a MUCH bigger difference in the overall perceived speed of the system than 2 underutilized cores.
I agree with this. x2 555be is probably what I would go with. I built a rig for someone using this and it unlocked to an x4 pretty easy anyways. I haven't really looked at any of the mobos suggested to see if they unlock cores though. I also don't know if it would be wise to unlock cores with a smaller budget psu. Somebody else might say otherwise.

I also don't think a small ssd would really be in budget here.
Edited by Ovlazek - 4/21/11 at 1:30pm
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-->LOl_WUT_axel

ok, you've convinced me of the psu, either the athlon or 840 or 820 will be fine anything that OC's to 3.8 will be fine.
-->XD 1337

in what ways are you judging the mobos to determine which ones are better, I could definitly learn a thing or two about mobo's

-->Traches

The Rig is for everyday use, In the future he'll probably end up getting a gtx460 to play modern games, benching will really only be used during overclocking to tweak things. you do have a good point, but my current cpu costs as much as the cheapest SSd so there is no way I could even by a SSD and a CPU. he may add an SSD later, but for now, he really doesnt need one.
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-->LOl_WUT_axel

ok, you've convinced me of the psu, either the athlon or 840 or 820 will be fine anything that OC's to 3.8 will be fine.
-->XD 1337

in what ways are you judging the mobos to determine which ones are better, I could definitly learn a thing or two about mobo's

-->Traches

The Rig is for everyday use, In the future he'll probably end up getting a gtx460 to play modern games, benching will really only be used during overclocking to tweak things. you do have a good point, but my current cpu costs as much as the cheapest SSd so there is no way I could even by a SSD and a CPU. he may add an SSD later, but for now, he really doesnt need one.
The Phenom II X4 820 is obviously much better than the 840 since it's a Deneb instead of a Propus, but all of the versions I have seen online are OEM. That means you get the CPU in a small tray and no CPU cooler. If that's a deal-breaker, then I'd go for the Athlon II X4 640 to save $10. It'll OC the same as the 840.
    
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The Phenom II X4 820 is obviously much better than the 840 since it's a Deneb instead of a Propus, but all of the versions I have seen online are OEM. That means you get the CPU in a small tray and no CPU cooler. If that's a deal-breaker, then I'd go for the Athlon II X4 640 to save $10. It'll OC the same as the 840.
good to know, I've got the stock cooler from my 955 he could use for the time being
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