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Is the failure rate the same on OCZ drives as it is on other SSD's?

When I google "OCZ Vertex 2 fail", I see so many failures on the drive. But is this just because I'm searching for it and finding the few cases of failures? Or is this really common?

I'm really trying to decide whether I resell or not. I have an offer of $140 on craigslist, and trying to get $160. It'll be new sealed from the RMA facility (since mine broke and I'm getting a new one back). -- OCZ Vertex 2 120GB (original version, not the crappy new slower version).
    
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The reason for it is because it's the most popular solid state drive (not the best, but the most popular). So therefore, it has the most reviews of both good and bad.

It's kinda like Googling something like "corsair power supply fail" or something: the result of such a search is that you're bound to end up thinking that that all Corsair PSUs are bad.

Of course, the other reason is that you found what you were looking for: bad reviews of the Vertex 2. However, the amount of bad reviews you're finding is just an extremely small fraction of the total number of Vertex 2s purchased altogether. It's just that the amount of Vertex 2s that have been purchased is so large that the number of bad reviews is large as well even though the percentage of bad Vertex 2s is extremely small in comparison to the total number purchased.

It seems even worse when you experience it for yourself because then it seems like they're all bad when it was really just extremely bad luck.

So rest assured that the Vertex 2 doesn't really have a failure rate. I mean if Mushkin's Callisto Deluxe were the most popular Sandforce drive, then it might seem like it has a very high failure rate too.

All of this reminds me of a job I had for a while working as a trained tech support for the iPhone and everything as it relates to it (so, they trained us to provide support for the iPod Touch and Mac OSX as well, but only as they related to the iPhone). We were in a department where nearly 100% of our callers were complaining of some problem with either the iPhone, an iPhone accessory, software, the iPod Touch, etc. So our trainers warned us that it would seem like the entire world is having nothing but problems when the truth was that when compared to the total number of customers worldwide, we were seeing less than like 0.001% of them.
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Thanks for the post. That's reassuring. I do now have to decide between a $160 offer on the drive (which I paid $189.99 + taxes for originally), or to keep it.

One thing that isn't really explained by the logic of "it's popular" (not to argue with you, as that's not what I'm trying to do), is that Newegg usually doesn't show so many 1-star and 2-star reviews on a product. But with the OCZ Vertex 2 120GB, it has something like 30% 1-star reviews. Usually when a product is popular, it might have a lot of 1-stars, but it will have a lot of 5-stars to balance that... in this case it's not-so-true. It seems for every two 5-star reviews, there's one 1-star review.

Anyways I'm still weighing the options. Thanks for giving me your take.
    
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I think the main reason why some people give any SSD a bad review/rating on a site like Newegg is because they're not computer-savvy enough to know how to properly set one up.

For example, someone may use their SSD for XP in IDE mode. Or, they might use their SSD on the wrong SATA port (like one of those Marvell-controlled ports). Or they might benchmark it too frequently with a program that performs write testing thereby ending up with worse and worse results until finally they end up thinking that their drive is dying when all they have to do is take it easy.

All in all, I basically never see any negative comments here on OCN about the Vertex 2s (or any SSDs for that matter) because we know what we're doing.
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I think the main reason why some people give any SSD a bad review/rating on a site like Newegg is because they're not computer-savvy enough to know how to properly set one up.

For example, someone may use their SSD for XP in IDE mode. Or, they might use their SSD on the wrong SATA port (like one of those Marvell-controlled ports). Or they might benchmark it too frequently with a program that performs write testing thereby ending up with worse and worse results until finally they end up thinking that their drive is dying when all they have to do is take it easy.

All in all, I basically never see any negative comments here on OCN about the Vertex 2s (or any SSDs for that matter) because we know what we're doing.
But what I'm getting at is if you check the 20% of negative reviews (I checked it's 20% of review), it's people all saying the same thing: The drive failed and the BIOS stopped recognizing it. That's not something people who don't know what they're doing can forcibly do to their drive in the masses.

Then you look at other ssd's and the story is different.

I don't know, I'm just worried still. :S

Think I might take the $150 the guy is offering me now and part with my OCZ SSD, and buy from another brand in a year or so down the line. Currently I'm quite happy with how fast my HDD is (WD Blue SATA3). This kinda sucks since it cost me $16 to do s&h to get a replacement, so I'm losing out on $84 total by having bought this device.
    
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Then maybe the Callisto Deluxe is the better choice; I haven't had a single problem with mine.
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I got 3 vertex 60 gb drivers dead here.
I dont like ocz now. Never could get their ram to run right.
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ARGh, I just based my buying decision on like 5 month old information. I had like 3 hours to make a decision giving my one of my 2 Velociraptor is failling. I really hope I get the 32nm, instead of the newer ones. I got it from newegg and should have probably went with Callisto or the other Sandforce options, but think I may now be stuck with a sub par Vertex 2 that is due to arrive tomorrow. We shall find out.
    
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I just dropped 300 on a V3. I think I've lost my mind.
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