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With all those things open, I think you need more RAM before a high-end CPU. doing less than that I use about 6GB on my system... I refuse to let my PC hit the swapdisk!!!!
    
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Originally Posted by 10acjed View Post
Well I would say it depends on ambient & airflow. I see no need for a 480 RAD.

I would suggest running it all with a 655 vario, set it with 2 RX240's. Cant tell if & how they would set up in a case without physically seing it..

My suggestion would be this.
MCP655 vario - RX240 - XPSC RASA - RX240 - GPU BLocks - Res - back to pump. Use all 1/2" ID tubing with just distilled water, if you want color get colored tubing...

The water will never be lower than room temp, its impossible without chilling it, which cannot be done because of condensation..

So the rad is only going to do so much.

if your going with 2 loops go with 2 355's, otherwise just separate the rads and run 1 655 pump.

Pain to get all set up and all the air out Im sure, but it will be much more efficient I think..


Off topic kinda... I wish I had the OP's $ LOL
Meh I see where you're going, but does the 2 x 240 have the thermal dissapation abilities. Maybe the dual 480's was a bit overstated, a 480 for the gpu loop and a 240 for the cpu loop would make more sense.

I for one am strictly against the MCP655, feels like a weak pump, could be bested by the x20 (ok maybe not that). The flow rate it does have over the MCP355 is easily rectified with the xspc DDC pump top.

http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com...opTesting.html

Fuzion V1 w 4.5mm Nozzle, Fuzion GFX, HWLabs 480GTX, Reservoir, 7' 7/16" ID Tubing

at a high restriction setting, it maintains near 1gpm flow rate!
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...cy,2850-7.html

This following review was done as far as the processors would go with their bundled cooler (remember the extreme editions come with a boss cooler)

"The real purpose of overclocking at all was simply to show that both Gulftown processors and the Sandy Bridge CPU have headroom in them, and the conclusions drawn at stock frequencies apply here, too. In the applications where the -990X was faster, it remains faster. Anything that prefers the -2600K’s more efficient architecture continues to"

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...n,2874-13.html



Makes more sense to get an EVGA sr2 with x5860s
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ep,2692-6.html


Now, in the face of a new flagship processor, we see that there are actually situations where a Core i7-900-series chip still makes sense. Frankly, enthusiasts and gamers need not apply. You can get so much value from the Core i5-2500K for $230 that it’s entirely worth waiting for new P67-based motherboards before you buy something new. Or, hold off for Z68, which will have some surprises of its own. The $770 you pocket as a result of not buying an Extreme Edition CPU buys a sick set of GeForce GTX 570s in SLI and a couple terabytes of storage.

But if your workstation is responsible for making you money; if it’s a true workhorse that you know for a fact muscles through threaded software like Premiere Pro, 3ds Max, and MainConcept (among others), then there’s a legitimate business case for buying the highest-end processor possible. And if you’re in that position, you can probably calculate exactly how long it’ll take for the Core i7-990X to pay for itself.


This isn't an i7 970. a 990x (not even the 980x), so spend 1k, and spend another $300 for a good motherboard, or spend $600 for a good motherboard and cpu? Shaves off a few seconds on 3DS MAX. but thats at 4.0 ghz on the 2600k

put that same 2600k to 5ghz, things change real fast.



The one thing I ask everyone who gives OP suggestions or changes for ex. my build is to use http://www.pccasegear.com/

cheapest comp stuff for AUS I've seen, plus the most manageable website.

OT: all other computer buying sites such as one above SUCK. Long live newegg!
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On CPU, cores, threads, MHz and gaming....
I would challenge any 2500k/2600k user on a single gpu setup, 580 or less, and ati equivelent to runs some 3d benchmarks:
Run each bench at these settings:
3.0GHz
4.0GHz
5.0GHz (or as close as you can)

Look at the results... there is a thread here with a guy running 3D benches at 4.0 & 5.0 on a 570, there was almost no difference in FPS....

Now cpu activity, encoding, rendering etc the 2600k oc'd to 4.8 or so may catch up to the added cores of a 970 - 980 - 990.
But I'd love to see a 970 @ 4.2 vs a 2600k @ 4.8 for cpu benching... I have seen the toms and other review sites. But I would love to see two actual owners do it so I can trust it a bit more..
Also the OP thread asked specific cpu's. Specific activity, that didnt include games. And stated he didnt plan on crazy OC.. So it was a clock for clock comparison for me...
He has since changed his whole idea of the build..

On Cooling...

The 355 with the modded top will do just fine from what I have read. The 655 without mods as well... Flow rate is about the same. But the 655 seems to be a more durable pump from what I read. If you google it you will find a wide variety of threads. I look at the ocn & xs threads and the general consensus is the 655 is more reliable.
Other than that I have no clue. Im not an expert, just some stuff I researched when getting into H2o.


The 480 for the gpu's is still a bit overkill IMO, the added cooling is a degree or two and will be nullified after the first block as you will have heated water from there on.
So people tend to think sticking a big rad before all three makes a difference.

As it will the difference is a couple degrees and doesnt make a difference either way.

Just may thoughts on it. The h2o loop will do the trick, if your cramped for space the diff in temps between 240 - 360 & 480 is not that big from what I have read... the more rad you have the more restriction, the more stress to the pump etc...

Thats about it for me. I am starting to wonder if this isnt all a big waste of time anyway...
Edited by 10acjed - 4/25/11 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by 10acjed View Post
On CPU, cores, threads, MHz and gaming....
I would challenge any 2500k/2600k user on a single gpu setup, 580 or less, and ati equivelent to runs some 3d benchmarks:
Run each bench at these settings:
3.0GHz
4.0GHz
5.0GHz (or as close as you can)

Look at the results... there is a thread here with a guy running 3D benches at 4.0 & 5.0 on a 570, there was almost no difference in FPS....

Now cpu activity, encoding, rendering etc the 2600k may catch up to the added cores of a 970 - 980 - 990.
But I'd love to see a 970 @ 4.2 vs a 2600k @ 4.8 for cpu benching... I have seen the toms and other review sites. But I would love to see two actual owners do it so I can trust it a bit more..


On Cooling...

The 355 with the modded top will do just fine from what I have read. The 655 without mods as well... Flow rate is about the same. But the 655 seems to be a more durable pump from what I read. If you google it you will find a wide variety of threads. I look at the ocn & xs threads and the general consensus is the 655 is more reliable.
Other than that I have no clue. Im not an expert, just some stuff I researched when getting into H2o.


The 480 for the gpu's is still a bit overkill IMO, the added cooling is a degree or two and will be nullified after the first block as you will have heated water from there on.
So people tend to think sticking a big rad before all three makes a difference.

As it will the difference is a couple degrees and doesnt make a difference either way.

Just may thoughts on it. The h2o loop will do the trick, if your cramped for space the diff in temps between 240 - 360 & 480 is not that big from what I have read... the more rad you have the more restriction, the more stress to the pump etc...

Great suggestions for the OP and thanks for the info about the watercooling, definitely things to keep in mind.

But op, take wat ACjed has to say in mind, and maybe post on OCN or xtreme systems asking owners to do some benchmarks, I'm sure they would gladly comply. It would help you decide what is the best setup for your money.
     
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It was disussed in throughout this thread. OP will primarly be gaming, and only be doing hour long renders every few months. The i7 2600k at 5ghz has been shown to bench similar to an i7 980x in rendering times, and cost much less while giving better frame rates in games. It seems a waste of money to purchase a system based on the i7 970, even if it is the main topic, throughout this thread OP and other users have given up on the i7 970. OP has decided to take a general use machine mainly on gaming, and that is what this is. With 3 x 512 cuda cores for cuda accelerated rendering (iray for ex) as shown by NVIDIA's marketing, it should be plenty. The 3gb frame buffer is comparable to the enormous frame buffer on the 6000 quadro at 6gb, and it only goes to show how these rendering programs will employ the use of all 3gbs instead of a 590 mirrored 1.5gb. The 2560 x 1600, is optimal resolution to use either the 590 quad or the 580 tri, but with the huge frame buffer, and scaling issue, it seems to make more sense to use the 580 tri sli,and such games as Metro (consuming 1.7gb and up on that resolution) or crysis with HD texture packs solicits the use of such a large frame buffer with such a powerful system. i7 970 cannot clock nearly as high as the 2600k, while offering marginally higher performance in rendering and possibly gaming as the 2600k deeming it a waste of money.
Should've read the whole thread, guess his plans changed a bit from the OP . What you have there makes sense.

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Originally Posted by 10acjed View Post
On CPU, cores, threads, MHz and gaming....
I would challenge any 2500k/2600k user on a single gpu setup, 580 or less, and ati equivelent to runs some 3d benchmarks:
Run each bench at these settings:
3.0GHz
4.0GHz
5.0GHz (or as close as you can)

Look at the results... there is a thread here with a guy running 3D benches at 4.0 & 5.0 on a 570, there was almost no difference in FPS....

Now cpu activity, encoding, rendering etc the 2600k oc'd to 4.8 or so may catch up to the added cores of a 970 - 980 - 990.
But I'd love to see a 970 @ 4.2 vs a 2600k @ 4.8 for cpu benching... I have seen the toms and other review sites. But I would love to see two actual owners do it so I can trust it a bit more..
Also the OP thread asked specific cpu's. Specific activity, that didnt include games. And stated he didnt plan on crazy OC.. So it was a clock for clock comparison for me...
He has since changed his whole idea of the build..

On Cooling...

The 355 with the modded top will do just fine from what I have read. The 655 without mods as well... Flow rate is about the same. But the 655 seems to be a more durable pump from what I read. If you google it you will find a wide variety of threads. I look at the ocn & xs threads and the general consensus is the 655 is more reliable.
Other than that I have no clue. Im not an expert, just some stuff I researched when getting into H2o.


The 480 for the gpu's is still a bit overkill IMO, the added cooling is a degree or two and will be nullified after the first block as you will have heated water from there on.
So people tend to think sticking a big rad before all three makes a difference.

As it will the difference is a couple degrees and doesnt make a difference either way.

Just may thoughts on it. The h2o loop will do the trick, if your cramped for space the diff in temps between 240 - 360 & 480 is not that big from what I have read... the more rad you have the more restriction, the more stress to the pump etc...

Thats about it for me. I am starting to wonder if this isnt all a big waste of time anyway...
I don't have the 2600k, I do have a 2500k & 990x. For the 3d benchies that don't use more than 4 cores/threads the 2500k wins clock for clock (3dmark benchies, not much of a gamer).
    
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Should've read the whole thread, guess his plans changed a bit from the OP . What you have there makes sense.



I don't have the 2600k, I do have a 2500k & 990x. For the 3d benchies that don't use more than 4 cores/threads the 2500k wins clock for clock (3dmark benchies, not much of a gamer).
To OP:
Nope, stick to the Ol' 2600k. With your watercooling loop, 5ghz easy peasy. Actually on that particular Mobo, with chipset cooling and all (24 phase voltage regulation FTW) you should do 5.2+, hell 5.4+

To FTW:
dude umm I might sound like a complete tool, but besides being a benchmark boss and HWboter, what are you? I mean you have no rep under your but you also have no title such as editor or mod?
     
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He is just For The Win!!!

LOL

FTW, whats the difference tho in running stock vs 4.0 vs 5.0 on a single 480 or 580 is what I am wondering...

Is the scaling the same in 3D?? Someone posted that a 2500k @ 4.0 & 570 vs 2500k @ 4.8 & 570 was barely even noticable..
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...l#post13220429 that is his 4.8 runs, his 4.0 runs are on page one... The only difference seems to be min FPS go up a little..

If there is little difference from 4.0 - 4.8 on a single 570, then chances are its a gpu bottleneck I would assume
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